You just proved my point

Ewe guys are nothing without jumpus

If jumpus dosen't stir things up around here you all turn into mutes

How come you didn't carry on talking with Big Goose after i left wittle Gosling

I think you should see a shrink....

Take your hanbags back to your respective corners, ladies... Your all mates, so there is no need for the keyboard warrior stuff... Pick up the phone and have a laugh about it... better still, go fishing

Very enjoyable to watch after missing a day :-)

I am still leaning towards the alumium plate boats as I think they make for a better compromise between family fun (bowrider) and fishing.

as far as weight goes I stand corrected

Had a look at the Savage B195 and if I would not be doing any fishing I'd be at the dealer right now. Adding a bait tank/board and rodholder looks just silly I think.
However a formosa tomahawk bowrider is easier to add bait tank/board and rod holders to and has more space to fish.
Not in a real hurry and will wait for the sydney boat show to have a look at more options though.

Yep, its really your decision Jack, only you know what you want.. After all JGs ranting about glass boats I still picked on because its what suits me and my family better and im sure youll make that decision based on what you want.

The Formosa looks a good boat, probably my only concern with bow riders is the lack of back deck area, but then you do have such a great casting / fishing area at the bow too..

Good luck!





only one of us wears a handbag, though its more a bum bag!! Unles FED is one of them too??

Pick up the phone.. I havnt got all night You should know wat its like

And please refer to him as the almighty! I would go fishing.. Well actually I might.. Could be a few Yella's and Cod with my name on em for aus day!

The weights surprised me too Jack the Formosas must be a pretty solid boat.

How about the 600Kg Polys? I guess they're still experimenting with stopping them from bending on hot days.

hmmmm

to be quite honest, and I apologise profusely upfront for offending anyone, but they are ugly...

sorry....

Jack

PS formosa seems like a solid boat with 4mm bottom and sides and aluminium floor

Paint it fluro green and youll be right mate!

The Formosa is a great looking boat, looks soild as well.. i agree with 'if you pay alot of money for something, it has to look good!'

Jack what are you planning to put on the back of whatever boat you purchase ?

Dont pay attention to the Gosling Jack
He's just got the poo's i wouldn't sell him Mini Me & had to settle for a 1/2 boat that's what you get when you spend 1/2 the money a platey is worth

Just got back from up the club ran into skip who owns the 5.8 centre cab 4nossa 140hp Boozuki 4 stroke on back Alloy trailer etc jumped on board not a bad boat @ all

Cost him around the $65 k mark

Yeah they are not the cheapest, so I will be looking at other brands as well. but a 5.2 or maybe 5.5 with a 90-100 4 stroke should be a bit cheaper :-)

on another note. These boats get made in 2 varieties. the classic and the tomahawk series. The tomahawk series among other things has a self draining floor which I think is very handy when outside and things do get rough. What are the advantages for self draining floor?

Yep this was the Tomahawk
Alloy trailers aren't cheap either

Depends if you get self draining in or out... Mini Me has one on the backwards ones that the boat fills up with water when you stop..

So did you catch any fish or what JG? Even the pezmonster got amongst the kings today!

The good thing about alloy is the resale value, if you paid 40k and used the boat for 5 years you'd still get over 30k for it considering you looked after it

Also consider with the 550 i think you'd be close to having to have a dual axle trailer am i right ?

Keep dreaming Gosling
The day you can ketch me out is the day i'll kark it but hey keep trying

If ewe bothered paying attention in the build thread & Reading that which was written it was stated mini me was moded different to the other 2 & the floor level was welded in much lower to accomide the lecky.

mini me was also designed for jumpus to fish solo not to take 3 other people who each weigh virtually double what jumpus weighs

I know it's hard to believe but answeris no

For the 1st time in prob 15 year i actually felt seedy out there

Didn't want to be out there & came back in

Surprising. I thought it was very flat and smooth yesterday, but then I didn't look around the corner to see the NE swell Thought you would have been waterlogged, like I was. Didn't it pelt down at times yesterday. I only landed one fish - very poor.

Been looking around for a new car lately Jack and found this....might be a option if in a position to buy now otherwise keep an eye on the auction sites mate-grays, pickles and manheim fowles. We picked up my wifes car from Syd car auction for just over half its insured value.

http://www.pickles.com.au/general/item/-/d...about/352041451

What are you looking for in a car as the company I work for sells their cars each year once thay are3 years old.
They are fully maintained but have klm on them.
There should be 2 going for sale this year which are 2008 or 9 commodore Internationals. They ususlly sell from $9500 to $14000 depending on the trading offer.

If you accidentally sort of sink your boat it will pop up again.
Great for washing down you can throw heaps of water on the deck & it all just goes away.
If you're caught solo in bad weather and can't leave the helm you can piss on the floor if nature calls.

Jumpy. this bit confushes me a tab, by Lecky It is my assumption you mean a electric outboard/trolling motor ?. If this IS the meaning, it is my belief that electric motors are bolted in some fashion to the upper bow position of the boat. ( some are transom mount, but i'm sure we are not talking about that format here ).
Could you explain ( in english so my tiny little brain could obsorb your explanation ) WHY the floor would be sitting lower than normal because of an electric outboard.
If I am wrong in my assumption ( which may well be the case ) then what do you mean by floor lower to accommidate electric ? do wires run under floor and therefor need to have LESS space between cavities.
Please explain!!!

Fed I'm sure it would be nice if a boat would sort of pop up again after being sunk, but believe me that would have absolutely nothing to do with the self draining floor .
Once a self draining floor becomes lower than water lever it ceases to drain.

Self drain floor is a great assett for any boat, but the floor or at least the scarpers must be above water level.
My cruiser ( platie ) had self drain and it had sort of tennis balls engaged so that when you launched the boat the balls would float up and block the holes of the scarpers.
Very affective and was handy as that boat was moored and when it rained I didn't have to worry about covers or anything the rain would simply drain from the floor.

if resale is the only consideration then if would have to be a poly, when I sold my boat after all costs had been add up I made $2.000 dollars clear profit, not bad for a plastic boat.

Paul

Your balls are only there to stop your feet getting wet if there\'s too many fat people sitting down the back Frank.
With a true self draining deck you could cut the sides off the boat at deck level & it would still float.
Jumpy reverses into the sea flooding his deck to clean it then his boat will just drain the water off.
I bet he doesn\'t even have any closeable scuppers on any of his boats.
Just checked the build threads, open holes at deck level as expected.

Edit: Minime has the a huge open scupper it's called a door.
http://www.fishingozstyle.com.au/forums/in...ost&id=1461

This has still got nothing to do with the self draining deck.
Once the scarpers are under water level they cease to function as a draining system.
Floatation and buoyancy is what keeps the boat afloat NOT the self draining aspect.
And I do believe we are talking about trailer boats in this topic, not full on trawlers.

OH and BTW to Jumpys outburst about NOOne of us ever owning a platie ( as in his mind, he is the only one that has ever owned or driven a plate boat ) here is just 1 of about 5 or 6 plate boats I have owned.

Click to view attachment

That is a 4 tonne Canter truck that's towing it. Can show scarper self drain system if anyone interested.

When I talk about self draining decks Frank I mean a fully sealed deck where no water can get below the deck, I'm sure tour boat with the balls would have been like that otherwise there would be no point to it.

Let me give you an example, through a series of things going wrong and bad judgement I finished up anchored at the peak from the rear of the boat, swell + waves started coming over the transom.
Myself & 2 mates were standing at the bulkhead/steering wheel with the boat going under backwards at a 45 degree angle, the tops of both motors were 3 feet underwater and water was at our feet, we were going down fast.
I sent a volunteer down to cut the anchor rope and in less that 60 seconds we were fully afloat again.

If it wasn't self draining then the floatation/buoyancy wouldn't be able to lift the boat back out of the water. I think we're agreeing here just using different terms to express it.

BTW I think Jumpy lowered his gunnel/bow height to take a leccy then lowered the floor so he wouldn't fall out of his boat but wait for him to confirm that 100%.

Ive had 3 boats with self draining hulls... they can be completly capsized and when righted they have no water in them! The back of the boats was completely open.

Have also had a boat which was not self draining but had scuppers with X ray sheets taped over the top edge, when water pressure pushed against them they sealed (pretty well) once underway they opened and all the water ran out of the boat.. you had to be underway though for it to drain...

In Mini Me's instance, is there enough buoyancy that if it was filled with water would it pop up and completely drain itself or would it stay with its deck below water. My guess is the second as with 3 people on the boat the deck drops below water level and a few inches of water run in.

It will pop up & completely drain itself Rumpus, you could push it to the bottom of the ocean & it would still pop up & drain itself.

Was browsing Pickles a few days ago myself and came across this boat as well. Looks like a really soild boat and you'd probably get it for a really good price. If you got it for 15k or under, a new 90HP four stroke would set you back around 13k last time i checked (Suzuki) even 12 for a 90 ETEC. Maybe spend 23k getting it fitted out, sounder, live bait tank rod holders etc and you'd have a great boat for around 30k

Edit: I know Toms dad has a very similar boat to this so i'm sure he'd have something to say about it !

BUT not because it has a self draining system. All a self draining system does is allow water to escape and travel to a lower area. GRAVITY won't allow water to flow up hill, only pressure of some kind will.
Bouyancy NOT drainage is what floated the boat.

From memory all explained in build thread

Quick version after taking 1st boat out for a run was easy to access what i wanted in my boat noted the floor level in conjuction floor level that boat wont cop any water coming though transom but that boat also had no transom door.

What i did on mini me was cut down frames by 60 mm which allowed me to lower floor level which in turn allowed me to also cut down sideskinsby around 80mm from memory this in turn allowed the mounting of lecky, longest shaft lecky is a 60 inch.

Now yung gosling think he's clever maybe one day he may learn he cant take on the might of Jumpus

Thought he'd be a smart arse but anybody of sound mind knows you cant take on Jumpus just ask me i'll tell ewe

Like i allready said mini me was built to my tastes & specs not to carry an extra approx 300 kg all aft with 150 kg of fuel also aft add to that lbt built into floor & not expect water to wash in onto the wet deck but just as quick as it wash's in it also washes out unless weight is transfered to bow.

That's the beaut thing with plate boats you can order them to your specs & dont have to contend with what comes out of the mould

another question,

Bowriders come with outboard en mercruisers and I like the looks of the mercruisers (not having that big block sitting on the back)
I can think of a lower centre of gravity as a possible advantage of an inboard which may make it better in handling. but you loose a bit of internal space.
Are there any other opinions out there between the two?


Jack

Put it this way Frank if you go and sink a quintrex it will pop back up to the gunnels but Jumpy's boat will pop back up to where is started from. Sure it's buoyancy but without a self draining deck it won't fully float again by itself.

I'd go the outboard Jack leave the mercruisers for bigger boats.

I did have one and had no complaints at all but it was in a 20.5' boat.

Fed Are you telling me IF you get a quintrex that will float up to it's gunwales and you cut some holes in it's transom that boat would then magically rise to floor level.
Think about it a little . That is what you are saying. Think about it for a while..
So just think about it for a while.

It IS buoyancy, with the help of floatation of sorts that float a boat.

Think about it for a while.
Maybe a few more time and you might see where you are mistaken with the idea that self draining will float a boat.
Again THING ABOUT IT FOR A WHILE.

you had no problems with it but would not recommend it...why?

what makes them good in 20' and not ok in 16-17'

Jack wouldn't touch a mercruise
Thirsty, weight issue just 2 probs
To work on another bitchb the list goes on

I dont think it would fed.. when it got water in it with 3 of us aboard we have to move our weight to get it to drain the water.. If all the water is sitting up front its not going to drain itself without either forward momentum or us shifting to remove it.. A fully self draining boat will rid itself of water no matter what.

Mini me is ALMOST SELF DRAINING..

I find myself agreeing with Frank here...



Im not trying to take you on but believe whatever you like... Just puttin forward my view as i see it, and personally Id call that a design flaw... If i was to build a fishing boat Id make sure it can handle a bit of extra weight.. You never know who is going to be on board. But thats my opinion.. Its your boat but and if thats how you like it then fine.. Just seems to limit its use to much to me.

Tell me though, where does the 300kg come from? Your weigh 60kg? i weight 90kg but the boat was built to handle 2 right? Are you saying Vern weighs 300kg? I know he got a belly but it aint that big?

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God your annoying... Frustrating.. A know it all.....

None the less, its good entertainment... Once you get back out here Ill teach you how to shoot again anyway, And Pez might give ya some lessons on catching girly fish, I hear her pulled on up the other day!

Oh and PS....

I got you to bite, even though you said you dont, you probably wont admit it but just to remind you! Maybe I was taking the piss too.... Or maybe not ??

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Never owned a plate boat but went in a stabi and your within a few days and recon the stabi would eat your for breakfast too.. tongue.gif tongue.gif

Jack, been on a few with inboards-consider the limitation of how low the engine actually would mount on the boat you are considering and the difference between inboard and outboard would be minimal........JG has some good points on weight and economy........
Best advice I could offer is to wait a few months-dealers are always keen to work harder to sell once the peak season has finished....Beware of the amazing deal at the boat show-personally found better deal from my local poly dealer on a 4.8 than at last years boat show.

Yes providing there was enough floatation under the floor.

Just my own opinion Jack there's something just not right about a sterndrive in a small boat to me.

I have to say mine was very quiet up to about 3/4 throttle & very smooth but the dog box did intrude a fair bit being a 6 cylinder.

As was already said they are pretty heavy compared to outboards of the same HP.

I'd think an outboard would hold its resale value better than a sterndrive too.

Sterndrives take up fishing space... If you dont fish and you ski, they'd be great to sit on!!

Heavy, trickier to work on & thirsty, : that is useful thanks.

Waiting a few months: was planning to anyway. Using the boat show to have a look at different boats not neccesarily to buy, but when I have all my prices and info before than I might get a bargain.

Taking up fishing space: Also pointed out in my question but that is than indeed offset by having a good sundeck to lounge on when not fishing or sitting on when just wetting a line in the bay. This boat will be a compromise so please keep that in mind.

Keep them replies coming

Thanks

Jack

I never found mine hard to work on and being close to 20 years old when I got it there was a bit to do.
Just another learning curve.
I replaced drive water impeller (RWC), reco'd top gearbox, replaced shift cable, drive exhaust & shift bellows, figured out and fixed shift interrupt system, R&Rd riser, fixed auto choke & fixed hole in sump. Also got the trim rams reco'd by the marina.
This boat was moored for the best part of 20 years so you'd expect a few things to be wrong with it but once it was on a trailer I found it easy to work on.
I don't think you'd have to touch a new one for at least 10 years.
In the right boat I've got nothing but praise for them, I wouldn't mind one in say a 19' Haines.
Without a doubt they'd be more economical than a carby 2 stroke.

what is more quiet? I/O or 4 stroke O/B

Jack

I haven't owned a 4 stroke OB Jack but I'll take a shot and say the OB would be quieter than the IO.

there is another plus to consider, and that is the fact you don't need a marine mechanic to work on an inboard motor.

Paul