Fishing oz style > Bits For Pimping The Yak

poly

Apr 8 2011, 01:43 PM

take a look at this range of bits and pieces and tell me what you think

not sure weather to go with this range or use scotty's

railblaza is it the way to go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWQfVMJCFg0...feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVIbv_R0uFQ

are you wondering why this question is not being asked on a yak site like kfdu the answer is easy, I respect the advice I get from you lot, even when we are mucking around we will first give an honest opinion so please take the time to have a look, even better if you are using railblaza tell me your impressions of the product.

Paul

Fed

Apr 8 2011, 02:56 PM

What stuff do you need to mount Poly?
I saw KK's kayak the other day, man that's one big arse yak, you could spend $1000s fitting that out.

poly

Apr 8 2011, 03:40 PM

Fed, 2 rod holder forward, for trolling to start with, then whenI get a sounder I will need a mount for that plus possum thinks a safety flag would be a good idea as the yaks are dark green in color and very low profile

Paul

P.S. the yaks are Hobie quest's at 13ft in length

http://www.hobiecat.com.au/kayaks/paddle/quest/

poly

Apr 8 2011, 09:24 PM

photos

possum's new yak

thats a big hole

it will take a lot of fish to fill this one

just left laying around

ready to hit the road

Paul

ok witch one of you lot gave possum the camera

kkw

Apr 8 2011, 10:19 PM

Noice..... Lets read about the fishing when you both get to go out.

poly

Apr 8 2011, 10:37 PM

QUOTE (kkw @ Apr 9 2011, 04:19 PM)

Noice..... Lets read about the fishing when you both get to go out.

yep will do, we will have a fish here in the lake tomorrow, wont be trying that hard, more a case of getting used to the yaks and working out were to put things.

Paul

storms72

Apr 8 2011, 10:52 PM

Had my yak for a year and a half poly, still tinkering. So far have added sounder, 2 extra rod holders(have 2 at the sides and 2 rear for trolling/storage), extra bungy straps at side for rod storage, larger rear hatch for battery, home made mount for 55lb electric, cord and clips for rods.

Spend a bit of time on the water fishing and you will soon sort out what you need to take and where it is convenient to have it close to hand.

poly

Apr 8 2011, 11:16 PM

QUOTE (storms72 @ Apr 9 2011, 04:52 PM)

Had my yak for a year and a half poly, still tinkering. So far have added sounder, 2 extra rod holders(have 2 at the sides and 2 rear for trolling/storage), extra bungy straps at side for rod storage, larger rear hatch for battery, home made mount for 55lb electric, cord and clips for rods.

Spend a bit of time on the water fishing and you will soon sort out what you need to take and where it is convenient to have it close to hand.

hay mate how telling us what brand of yak you have, and some photos of that motor mount would be good plus the rest of the boat of course

Paul

nimrod

Apr 8 2011, 11:57 PM

QUOTE (poly @ Apr 9 2011, 05:16 PM)

hay mate how telling us what brand of yak you have, and some photos of that motor mount would be good plus the rest of the boat of course

Paul

Poly. I would suggest the first thing you add to it is the flag, as jason said, use it a couple of times and you will work out where to fit everything.
Those accessories look tempting, but don't get sucked into buying stuff you will never use.
How easy is it to gain access to inner panels for fastening nuts onto bolts ?, don't use screws.

poly

Apr 9 2011, 12:04 AM

QUOTE (nimrod @ Apr 9 2011, 05:57 PM)

Poly. I would suggest the first thing you add to it is the flag, as jason said, use it a couple of times and you will work out where to fit everything.
Those accessories look tempting, but don't get sucked into buying stuff you will never use.
How easy is it to gain access to inner panels for fastening nuts onto bolts ?, don't use screws.

i have all ready ordered two flags frank, they should arrive next week as for access to the inside of the yak, its great

Paul

Fed

Apr 9 2011, 02:17 AM

First thing I'd get would be a motor.

poly

Apr 9 2011, 02:44 AM

QUOTE (Fed @ Apr 9 2011, 08:17 PM)

First thing I'd get would be a motor.

why ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Paul

Jumpus GooDarus

Apr 9 2011, 02:26 PM

Try this guy poly
He comes highly recomended

Fed

Apr 9 2011, 02:28 PM

So you don't have to paddle Poly, KK's Yak will take a sail but it's got me beat how they work without a keel unless you can only go downwind with them.

What do you do if you fall over, can you get back in or do you have to go to the shore & start again.

I have to say it's not my kind of boating.

How do you pee, I think standing up would tricky and shooting over the side from a sitting position although funny would surely be a disaster. What about the Missus? YIKES! Secret Women's Business.

As far as your deck fittings go I'd wait until I'd used it quite a few times before screwing on any extra junk aside from the safety flag, I'd even try & jury rig that for a while.

poly

Apr 9 2011, 02:54 PM

QUOTE (Fed @ Apr 10 2011, 08:28 AM)

So you don't have to paddle Poly, KK's Yak will take a sail but it's got me beat how they work without a keel unless you can only go downwind with them.

What do you do if you fall over, can you get back in or do you have to go to the shore & start again.

I have to say it's not my kind of boating.

How do you pee, I think standing up would tricky and shooting over the side from a sitting position although funny would surely be a disaster. What about the Missus? YIKES! Secret Women's Business.

As far as your deck fittings go I'd wait until I'd used it quite a few times before screwing on any extra junk aside from the safety flag, I'd even try & jury rig that for a while.

Fed this is one way to fit a motor but it may be a bit on the expensive side

http://www.extremewatersports.com.au/displ...p?pc=ULTRALIGHT

the vorter dx3 would be much cheaper at $239au but how to fix it to the yak that is the question

http://vortapowersystems.com/DX3%20Electri...ne%20Motor.html.

poly

Apr 9 2011, 03:02 PM

QUOTE (Jumpus GooDarus @ Apr 10 2011, 08:26 AM)

Try this guy poly
He comes highly recomended

recommended for what J.G., he looks like a used car sales man

Paul

Jumpus GooDarus

Apr 9 2011, 03:07 PM

Ewe said that ewe wanted a pimp for your yak

Fed

Apr 9 2011, 03:08 PM

Did you watch the video of the rudder mounted vorta? Go for it I say.

poly

Apr 9 2011, 03:25 PM

you asked about the sailing rig Fed, this is but one of the better ones

http://www.sailboatstogo.com/catalog/kayak_rig

Fed

Apr 9 2011, 03:37 PM

Now I see it Poly, they have drop down keels so they can tack into the wind.

poly

Apr 15 2011, 11:03 PM

I have started to pimp up the first of the yaks, as you know by the other thread I have been trying to get on to Scotty rod holders so possum decided to go with a single for now.
The only type on sale was the Hobie brand,, gues what,, they are made by Scotty, but that's ok

Paul

Jumpus GooDarus

Apr 15 2011, 11:06 PM

Just notced this thread is in the boating forum may have to move it to Gilligan's Island

poly

Apr 15 2011, 11:15 PM

QUOTE (Jumpus GooDarus @ Apr 16 2011, 05:06 PM)

Just notced this thread is in the boating forum may have to move it to Gilligan's Island

Or start a hole new thread for us mad yakers that would be good.

HHMMMMMMM were did possum hide the shark repellent

Paul

kkw

Apr 16 2011, 12:18 AM

Must get myself one of these yaks. Do they come in aluminium?

Fed

Apr 16 2011, 12:19 AM

I don't get it?

poly

Apr 16 2011, 12:24 AM

QUOTE (Fed @ Apr 16 2011, 06:19 PM)

I don't get it?

you will Fed, you will just give it time.

QUOTE

Must get myself one of these yaks. Do they come in aluminium?

yep they do KK, but you will have to go to the US to get one, or ask J.G. very nicely to make you one

Paul

Fed

Apr 16 2011, 12:30 AM

The US have the big arsed yaks.

poly

Apr 16 2011, 05:50 PM

next thing to think about sounder gps combo or two separate units, what do the members think would do the best job

Paul

Jumpus GooDarus

Apr 16 2011, 10:14 PM

QUOTE (Fed @ Apr 16 2011, 06:30 PM)

The US have the big arsed yaks.

That's where kk should look

Jumpus GooDarus

Apr 16 2011, 10:17 PM

QUOTE (poly @ Apr 17 2011, 11:50 AM)

next thing to think about sounder gps combo or two separate units, what do the members think would do the best job

Paul

For goodarus sake poly !
You've got a yak for far do ewe intend to paddle ??

As for a sounder just tie a rock to a piece of string & put a knot evey meter

poly

Apr 16 2011, 10:42 PM

QUOTE (Jumpus GooDarus @ Apr 17 2011, 04:17 PM)

For goodarus sake poly !
You've got a yak for far do ewe intend to paddle ??

As for a sounder just tie a rock to a piece of string & put a knot evey meter

mate I can see what you are thinking, and if I were to fish in the one place all the time you would be right to think that way.
On May 9 possum will be heading down to Victoria were we will fish Lake Victoria and Port Albert so a g.p.s will be handy

this is the type of fish finder that would be fitted to most yaks, some how I don't think they would be much good, what do the members think

* Physical: dimensions - 147 x 108 x 66 mm, water resistance - IPX7 [sealed and waterproof]
* Display: type - 4-Level Grayscale SuperTwist Mono LCD, size - 4" / 102 mm [diagonal], resolution - 240 x 160 px, backlight - white LED
* Transducer: output - 100 W [RMS] / 800 W [Peak], frequency - 200 kHz, cone angle - 60 degrees, depth - 600 ft / 183 m / 100 fathoms, temperature - yes, speed - yes [requires optional speed sensor]
* Mount: unit - bracket / in-dash, transducer - transom / in-hull

Paul

Fed

Apr 17 2011, 12:33 AM

Jeez Poly these yaks are starting to get out of hand. Go & buy a Seafarer Viking, you know you want to.

Jumpus GooDarus

Apr 17 2011, 01:16 AM

QUOTE

this is the type of fish finder that would be fitted to most yaks,

Yeah but most yaks that use them fish offshore off reefs not in a lake where dropoff's are visible by earsight

Wotever ewe do dont get a viking heard their steering shits itself with a few shines of ones head

poly

Apr 22 2011, 02:17 PM

QUOTE (Jumpus GooDarus @ Apr 17 2011, 07:16 PM)

Yeah but most yaks that use them fish offshore off reefs not in a lake where dropoff's are visible by earsight

Wotever ewe do dont get a viking heard their steering shits itself with a few shines of ones head

we do intend to fish offshore J.G.and i like to be a bit different to the run of the mill yak fisho's so we will most likely buy a Lowrance mark 5x DSI they can be bought for as little as $400.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/LOWRANCE-MARK-5X-DS...=item3366aa0168

the hummingbird 570DI will be worth a closer look as well, I have not been able to find a price on them yet

http://store.humminbird.com/products/415375/570_DI

the only worrisome thing about these sounder's is the amount of power that they will use as i will most likely be using a 7amp hour battery.
I will have to do a lot more research before parting with my money

the only other sounder worth looking at is the hummingbird 365i gps

http://store.humminbird.com/products/307117/365i_Combo

I would like to here what you all think about these sounders, to bad the old lead lines have gone out of fashion a stone tied to a piece of string wont work to well ether

Paul

kkw

Apr 22 2011, 03:25 PM

Pol. the 365Xi (365i) is around $590 and the 570x (not 570di) is around $390 from the place I got my plastic boat from. Price will be better than that I imagine.

Fed

Apr 22 2011, 03:39 PM

My previous boat came with a poverty pack Eagle (Lowrance) fishfinder Poly, I suspect it was the very bottom of the line and it was fine mate. Very easy to use with all the usual bells & whistles.

If I was you I'd go for the X-4 Pro with the dual frequency transducer & 188 Watts RMS power all for the bargain price of $169 at BIAS.

poly

Apr 22 2011, 03:47 PM

QUOTE (kkw @ Apr 23 2011, 09:25 AM)

Pol. the 365Xi (365i) is around $590 and the 570x (not 570di) is around $390 from the place I got my plastic boat from. Price will be better than that I imagine.

thanks very much for that Klaus it looks like C H Smiths marine have them for $530.00 plus freight

http://www.chsmith.com.au/Products/Humminb...Fishfinder.html

Paul

Fed

Apr 22 2011, 03:54 PM

QUOTE

Humminbird 570X DI Fishfinder

Humminbird 570x DI Fishfinder features combined dual beam and Down Imaging transducer. Humminbird 718cx Fishfinder is easy to use and sensitive enough. Now Available !

5" 12 level mono grey scale TFT LCD screen - 640 x 320 pixels.
Down Imaging : 455KHz (75°) & 800KHz (45°).
Dual Beam PLUS Transducer with Switch Fire : 200KHz (25°) & 455KHz (16°).
Output power: 300 watts RMS.
Power consumption: 650mA
Water Proof: IPX65.
Includes Temp Sensor
Useable Depth: Sounder: 200m, Down Imaging 50m.

Manufacturer: Humminbird
Warranty: 2 Years

I wonder what that down imaging is all about?
At 650mA you could count on at least half a day on your 7AH battery Poly, maybe even a bit more.

poly

Apr 22 2011, 04:08 PM

QUOTE (Fed @ Apr 23 2011, 09:54 AM)

I wonder what that down imaging is all about?
At 650mA you could count on at least half a day on your 7AH battery Poly, maybe even a bit more.

Thanks for that Fed, but what dose the ma stand for and how would i relate it to amp hours

the reason for a sealed 7am hour battery is the fact it can be carried in a dry bag and stowed inside the yak

Paul

Fed

Apr 22 2011, 04:19 PM

The sounder draws 650mA or 0.65 Amps which is a little over half an Amp.

Your battery is supposed to be good for 7 Amp Hours which is 7 Amps for one Hour or 1 Amp for 7 Hours or any combination that adds up to 7Amp Hours if that makes sense.

With those numbers you should be able to draw 0.65 Amps for a bit over 10 Hours but as the battery goes down it won't be much good below about 12 Volts so that's why I said you could count on half a day or maybe a little more.

We don't know if that 650mA is with the light on either, if it is then without the screen light it may draw a lot less than that.

poly

Apr 22 2011, 04:39 PM

QUOTE (Fed @ Apr 23 2011, 10:19 AM)

The sounder draws 650mA or 0.65 Amps which is a little over half an Amp.

Your battery is supposed to be good for 7 Amp Hours which is 7 Amps for one Hour or 1 Amp for 7 Hours or any combination that adds up to 7Amp Hours if that makes sense.

With those numbers you should be able to draw 0.65 Amps for a bit over 10 Hours but as the battery goes down it won't be much good below about 12 Volts so that's why I said you could count on half a day or maybe a little more.

We don't know if that 650mA is with the light on either, if it is then without the screen light it may draw a lot less than that.

now i am starting to understand how the thing works from a voltage point of view so to make thing even harder i have just called hunts marine about the Furuno LS4100 and they tell me it needs 40wats ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Fed can you help

Paul

Fed

Apr 22 2011, 04:52 PM

I'll google the specs on the 4100 and get back to you.

Fed

Apr 22 2011, 05:01 PM

QUOTE

Power Requirements

12 VDC, 6 Watts

Power = Volts X Amps
6 Watts = 12 Volts X 0.5 Amps

So the Furuno draws slightly less power than the Hummingbird.

I think Furuno make the best stuff and my only complaint I've ever had is my Furuno GPS is a little hard to use the menu system but that could be ME too.
I used to love my old FE400 sounder, 1 power knob & 1 range knob, too easy but my Furuno GPS is doing my brain in.

Fed

Apr 22 2011, 05:02 PM

QUOTE

Standard Features

Waterproof, 5 Inch, Silver Bright Monochrome LCD Display
Dual Frequency - 50 and 200 kHz
Targets presented in up to 4 gray tones
Picture resolution of 240(H) x 320(V) pixels
300 Watt RMS (2400 P-P) output power
Seven depth scales, from 0-10 to 0-640 feet
Depth offset to 1,500 feet, maximum depth scale of 3,000 feet
Automatic or Manual Depth Range and Gain Adjustment
A-Scope for rapid fish detection and species identification
White Line Mode for enhanced bottom fish detection
Audible and Visual, Temp, Speed, Fish or Bottom Alarm
TLL output sends position, temp and depth to Furuno TLL capable plotters
Multiple Display Modes
1. Normal, Low Frequency/High Frequency
2. Dual Frequency
3. Bottom Lock Expansion
4. Marker Zoom
5. Bottom Zoom
6. A-Scope
7. Two Customizable Navigation Data Display - Displaying digital and analog graphical info, including: Wind Speed/Direction, Ship's Speed, Steering Screens and more
Speed and Temperature input via optional sensor or NMEA data
Mini Navigator allows storage of up to 12 waypoints, with capability to navigate back to these points using the LS4100's XTE/Range and Bearing calculation and steering screens
Two NMEA0183 ports - one bi-directional and one "listen-only"

Shipping Information

4 Lbs., 1 Carton Less Transducer - Single unit
20 Lbs., 1 Carton Less Transducers - 6 units per carton

Power Requirements

12 VDC, 6 Watts

Transducer Plug on back of unit

10 pin

LS4100

Fed

Apr 22 2011, 05:13 PM

Here's a link to the simulator Poly, click on it and tell me what you think?
I just don't get it, my brain must be rooted or something, I find it very hard to use.
http://www.furunousa.com/Learning%20Center...ents/LS4100.swf

kkw

Apr 22 2011, 05:17 PM

QUOTE (Fed @ Apr 23 2011, 11:13 AM)

I just don't get it, my brain must be rooted or something,

Well..... nah. My mum told me not to say anything bad about as person. Oh o.k. then...... nah.

poly

Apr 22 2011, 06:34 PM

QUOTE (Fed @ Apr 23 2011, 11:13 AM)

Here's a link to the simulator Poly, click on it and tell me what you think?
I just don't get it, my brain must be rooted or something, I find it very hard to use.
http://www.furunousa.com/Learning%20Center...ents/LS4100.swf

you only think its doin your head in, I just went out and mowed the front lawn to give me time to think about it...................................................... well I have though about it and it hurts, if that's Furuno then Lowrance is looking real good

cheaper to

ok joke's aside its down to the Lowrance or the Furuno

J.G. will say go the Furuno what dose every one else say

Paul

Fed

Apr 22 2011, 06:44 PM

Furuno & learn how to use it properly, put in the time.
The LS4100 has a very good reputation and I think you can add GPS to it.

NetPez

Apr 22 2011, 08:30 PM

Ive got a owrance elite5
combo unit its easy to use and pretty clear screen
I know furno is better but cost heaps more

Jumpus GooDarus

Apr 22 2011, 08:38 PM

QUOTE (NetPez @ Apr 23 2011, 02:30 PM)

Ive got a owrance elite5
combo unit its easy to use and pretty clear screen
I know furno is better but cost heaps more

How does it fair when sounding down wabbit holes pez