Im looking at getting a downrigger or 2 and dont know much about them, so i need your help.

I fish saltwater mainly for Snapper and trawl for kings in the summer months, with the odd trip out to the shelf for Tuna.

I can afford to get 1 top of the range downrigger which i can connect threw cannon link to my hummingbird fishfinder. This would alow me to control the depth at the helm and be viewed on the fishfinder.

option 2 Get a standard electric version for about half that.

option 3 Get one or even two manual downriggers. (do you get tangles when running two downriggers?)

What would you do and why?

Wouldn't waste my Drakma on those no need for them, sounder will show true depth & linking link will deviate drastically depending on weight of bomb with speed you're trolloping faster ewe trollop higher bomb will rise to the surface giving an inaccurate read.



Electric are far better esp if out on your own all it takes is a push of the button



Nope just stay with the wun

I do have a pair of Scotty2Hotty's but very rare ever use both wun is more than enough ewe wont get tangles & realistically ewe really only want wun girly fush on @ a time.

Make sure rigger ewe get has a swivel base & dont do wot so many do & go oversize on bombs

7lb is more than enough in swallow water down to 20 meters anything deeper go up to the 10 lb'r

Thanks Jumpy
i have narrowed it down to 2 models if going for a manual down rigger

this one



downrigger is made of marine grade alloy and stainless steel, then anodized with a silver and black finish. No plastic anywhere, excepting the Nylon® boom rollers. Here’s some pictures of both the manual and electric versions, you can see it in operation here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLRlRUNgUfU

and here, off Sydney:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb_BonViTm4













And here's some of its important features:

A 950mm one piece boom, one of the longest in the business. This helps to keep your cable and weight well clear of the prop and transom. The boom tilts and locks into the vertical position, meaning you don't have to reach out over the water- which can be risky- to attach the line from your reel. The tilt and lock also helps when maneuvering around wharves, or similar;



A boom head, which swivels around the top of the boom arm.



This is a really good feature. The boom head on our downrigger swivels on greased needle rollers to track the weight and cable. This means the cable doesn’t ride up the side of the boom head rollers when the boat makes a sudden turn;

A detachable, resettable depth counter. This unit reads down to 1000 feet and resets at the touch of a button.



THIS counter can be quickly removed from your downrigger and mounted on a jig rod (no tools required.) If you’re using expensive knife jigs over a reef or wreck, where you know the depth of the structure from your depth sounder, you can sink the sinking jig a few feet short of the snag by keeping an eye on the counter readout. We’ve found this technique is a real money saver. (The counter is available separately for $20, inc P&P.)

AN aluminium rod holder, attached to the rear of the downrigger. The holder is adjustable for angle with a screwdriver, and has a cross pin for securing mounting of rods fitted with a gimbal slot base;



TWO hundred feet of 200-pound Dyneema braid. Braid is narrower than steel cable and doesn’t hum, in the water. More braid or cable can be added if you plan to fish deeper water.



A Du-bro Shock Kit, on the end of the braid. These kits feature a compressible spring, which means if you wind your weight up quickly (as often happens, after a strike) the Shock Kit will protect against your weight banging into the end of the boom;



A long shaft gimbal mount is attached to your downrigger’s base. It fits straight into your boat’s rod holder:




The base is made from solid aluminium, not tube, and is very strong. Note that rodholder fitted downriggers should not be fitted into plastic rodholders. Use a strong aluminium or stainless steel rodholder, available at any marine shop. An alternative option is our detachable tongue and groove base mounting kit:





Price of the manual downrigger complete (as described above) is $425, including delivery. Price of the electric version is $695. That one has a powerful electric motor fitted that pulls up 20-pound plus weights easily. Ours has a circuit breaker rather than glass fuses (like the Scottys) for overload protection. Let me know what else you need to know? If you want to let me know your mailing address I’ll send you a free DVD showing it in operation. Thanks for your inquiry,

Or this one



They are built to take a 7 - 8lbs bomb max reccomendation the booms are 750mm long and the spool can take alot of line however we sell with 150yd 250lbs dyneema braid .

We have sold quite a few to sydney siders who chase the kings .

They are built from alloy and powdercoated black.

They sell in the shops for $500.00 but i could let you have one for $350.00 .

i can also do you a gimbal mount to fit in your rod holder .

The gimbals sell for $100.00 i could let you have one for $50.00.

I will also throw in a couple of release clips

A bit of nonsense by the mob advertising them but they all do it rivial tings that mean nut ting like this wun



My Scotty2Hotty's exend out to 1500mm but never bother to extend them as there is no need mne also tilt back but find that to be a pain is the arse esp on my goats with walk out transoms.

Find it best to have a swivel base aimed out around 40 degrees & have the s/s wire run through a slider thingy thats alot easier than pulling bomb in over the transom

Not a good pic but ewe should get the idea yellow thingy is the slider tied off to goat with black cord, I just pull it when I want the bomb

http://www.fishingozstyle.info/forums/inde...?showtopic=2336

Yep I saw that post and knew you were the man to ask.
What model scotty is that you are using?

These wuns

http://www.bassermillyard.com.au/ShowArtic...p?ArticleId=151

As ewe use them more & more ewe start to develope your own thought's on how to down rig

Dont take wot peeps say as gospel alot talk utter crap caught a small handfull of fish & have become experts

I can get one for $649 delivered from the us. Is that a good price?
Can i get it a gimble mount for it to sit in a rod holder?
What is the size of the mounting? as I have limited realestate on the stern
its the SCOTTY 1106 DEPTHPOWER 60" TELE ELECTRIC W/ HOLDER SWIVEL

SKU # : Scotty_1106

cant see a price on that link as they dont sell to the public

No they dont, they're the importers



Velly good plice, suppose to retail up around $1,500 over here

Also bear in mind wot you'll get is everthing complete minus the bomb in the package

Here is the link for cheap imports
http://www.jandhproducts.com/_e/dept/12-00...Downriggers.htm

So how big is the mount and can i get a gimble mount for it

Have bought GPS dog tracking gear from J&H a few times and they were GREAT!! Cheap and delivery was about 1 week...

Thanks Chad,
Was there any extra hidden costs in delivery etc.

I ordered my fishfinder from JandH and was quite happy with price and delivery. No issues and as long as you stay below 1000 bucks (Aus) there should not be any import duties.
You may have extra costs if there is a warranty issue though, but at half the local price you can always buy a new one :-)

Jack

yea stay below $1000 to avoid import costs.....

They were great to deal with (j&h) I bought straight off their website after sending a few emails to confirm details and they were more than helpfull....

Pretty sure that the postage costs are calculated when you put your details into the website and Ya pay by CC and thats it..

cool
will just have to work out what unit I want now

Went out for a fush 2day & took sum pics of the setup

Ewe wouldn't believe it I left camera back in the goat & not going back to get it

Still flesh in my memory base is around 120 mm sq

Not sure wot ewe mean by gimble mount ?????????????????????????????????

If you're gunna use it alot go electric

Else just get a wind up handle all down riggers are is a device to lower & raise bait nothing more irrellevant of wot manufacturer's try spining you

The gimble mount is a mount for the downrigger to sit on that slides into a rod holder



makes it easy to move around the boat and takes up less room when you dont have room for a standard mount

Well you took the effort to take some pics for me
Maybe I will get lucky and you will post them up for me

Ewe mean these dooberlacky's

http://www.bassermillyard.com.au/ShowArtic...p?ArticleId=148
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I dont use them john, welded in 12mm alloy bases into goats to accomidate riggers

Thats the one
I would have to plastic weld them lol

If ewe go to the 5 meter build thread below Post #39

You'll see them mounted on goat

http://www.fishingozstyle.info/forums/inde...20&start=20

Do you have any other pics
It looks like a weapon from the rear

Is the postage cost included when trying to stay under a grand to avoid the import costs

Rang customs, there is a tax of 10/. for items purchased O.S this does not include the freight costs.

Sir Jumpy,
How high does the boom arm sit above the gunnel?

Quite high easy to get 2 chookens & a duck under there

Went & washed the goat 2day & grabbed camera, pic below should give ewe a goodarua idea how high it sits

Bear in mind i'm pretty sure the non electric model dosen't sit this high

Looks like it should be tall enofgh to clear the hand rails that come off the gunnels and down to the pod.
I will go electric I think but I cant decide if I go all out with a Cannon or save a few bucks and get a Scotty?
After reading a few forums they said some of them have had problems with the bottom trackin system of the cannons.

Thats a much better pic, thanks for posting.
Are you running wire cable? Does it hum much?
Whats the red button for
And lastly does it count off the depth in ft or meters?

No probs clearing handrails easy 6 - 7 inch's clearance
See if I can dispell sum of the bullashitta peeps go on about



I see alot of goats in the bay downrigging & the bulk are using cannons personally I think it's because they're cheaper not any better & peeps tend to rave on cause they own sum ting.
Cant compare cause I've only used the Scotty2Hotty's & so do my mates & I've heard no complaints from any of them.
I get well looked after with gear & when I asked how many of the scottys come back for repairs I was was told zero & I believe that cause I've never seen any 2nd hand units there.



Like I said in an early reply, not needed & a waste of time, just set the depth via count meter & be mindfull of the angle of line out the back depending on troll speed.
Quicker the speed the higher the bomb will rise to the surface, sitting on say 1 knot of speed bomb will be directly behind the transom & your sounder will record it on the screen so when ewe see it dont get a & confuse readind as fush.




Yep running wire not dacron & it's bullshit about the huming I've never had that prob, also read peeps whinging about the s/s wire on the scotty's rusting up, that's another wank.

It does stain but only due to contaminants on the wire not the wire actually rusting



2b honest I have no idea
I'll have to look next time out



Being Amellican it's in feet, yanks are slow converting to metric


You'll no doubt ask alot more Q's when ewe get wun may even pin a thread on do, dont's & tips on how to downrigg

I want to get a downrigger as well, these look alright for the money ? Don't want to spend more then $500 ..

http://www.jandhproducts.com/_e/Big_Jon_Do..._Siderigger.htm

looks good, I looked at them as I liked the name lol
prob catch more fishies than a u beaut electric job.
So what colour you going to get

Gather Ti Ying a string to a rock didn't work 4 U DanuSun

Nah Jumpy want to get some Girly Fishies

Silver mate, the gold one looks quite ugly imo.

check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM8HSZB7tvk

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm !

Me Tinks ewe have SIDE EFFECTS from taking sum of Fed's Shinny Head Tablets else ewe would've gone the gold wun

Kungys aka Girly fush in all honesty have 2b wun of the easiest species to ketch
Many ways/methods of fushing for them none right or wrong
The Banks [place fushed in video] has to be wun of the best kung reefs going around & you'd have to be a proper dill not to ketch the girly fush there.
We actually had a double hookup there wun year trolling 3 kg stripys around for marlins these kungs were in the 40 kg class.

Now getting back to the vid, really think all these guys trully have a wank going on about scent & just repeat the nonsense others have said, only 2 things ewe need to know about ketching squid
Clean water
type of jig to be used if in shallow water [5 meters] use a slow sinking jig else ewe'll keep ketching the bottom
7 meter or deeper go a fast sinking jig to get ewe down & keep ewe there longer in the zone.

Setup on their goat ?????????

Dont like it @ all rod is to far aft from the bomb allowing to much drop back on mainline I like to aim my rod around 30 degree's out with it starting to load up on the bomb little if any drop back

Yeah that did look werid, looks like he had no idea on what he was doing.

What about a REAL HEAVY ROCK on a string?

Hey Spud !

Wot sized balls du ewe use when downrigging your carrot to ketch them Rabbits ???

My 2 bobs worth...

I have a Scotty 1050.. No frills and does the job perfectly. I can see the bomb on my sounder, but i just switched the sounder back to feet to stop my confusion. It has wire that is fine, but it has hummed twice when i was out.. Dont know why it only does it sometimes, but it does. But a King took our little squidy mid hum so i dont care about it .. hahaha

I dont use the rod holder that comes with it, I use the one on the boat, but it is loaded at all times with no slack..

Also, mine is installed with the arm pointed out to the side, not out the back near the motor. I have enough problems with tangles without having another one (Dont touch that one Jumpy)

Regarding squid; My catch rate is improving each trip out, but Jumpy has this seriously sussed... I feel sometimes people make it harder than it has to be at times... No need for a $30 jig, if you find the school...

Thanks bees
Jumpy should make his own video on squiding to catch girly fish, as long as he doesnt wear his mankini, it would sell like hot cakes.

Wish we had more kingys down this way, they are so hard to find and when we do they are on its only the rats.
Now I have bite the bullet & feeling very broke. I hope we can find them in deeper water.

It was such a hard desion as no one I know has a downrigger in batemans bay, come to think of it I havent seen any at the ramp either. Had the same problem when I bought my Electric motor, now everyone has one. Now im alittle dissapointed I didnt get co- pilot.

So with that in mind I went for the Cannon Mag 20 and cannonlink. Shoped around and was able to save heaps. Got it at half price.
Now I await nervously until it arives.

Still haven't heard mine hum, maybe it's the way I setup opposed to others or a GooDarus logical explanation is it's simply wind would explain why you've only heard it a couple of times DF



Yeah really think there's alot of wanker experts going around in regards to squidding esp with sum of the comments I read not much I can do but to

All self confessed experts who prob only fish for them wunce in a blue moon, I've allways been able to ketch squid but have to admit last 12 months I've put in alot of time & effort chasing them so have a pretty goodarus idea how to get them.

No different to fush there's times they shut down & this from my observation occurs when water is dirty, they're still there & eager to feed but unless your jig lands on top of them ewe'll miss out.

Think I freaked latest member out danch777 when I took him out for an hr or so chasing the swiperly wittle buggers even have a song 4 Danny Boy


Oh Danny boy, the SQUID, the SQUID are ZOTTING
From ear to ear, and down the MINI ME side
The summer's gone, and all the KUNGS are biting
'Tis you, 'tis you must go and I must hide.
Oh Danny boy, the SQUID, the SQUID are ZOTTING




John there's nut ting hard about it I just get a laugh looking @ vids like the wun ewe posted peeps make it look to hard no matter wot I fush for I keep it simple these guys complicate things esp when they start with all that tech nonsense bullshit.

I do have camera mounts on the goats & just operate vid camera with remote control, have to admit I haven't taken it out since a couple of years back chasing yft



JB is only a short hike from where ewe are prob woth the effort

Looks like a great location, might have to plan a trip up that way.
We plan on going to Monagaue when the kingies come on. Bar seems better than the Bay here.
Whats the ramps & bar like at JB

Had the wittle goat last time down there, ramp @ Callalla was not a prob

The Potato farmer uses it & says there's a few good wabbit holes about

I dont know your areas, but they are everywhere up here. Just get a few locations under your belt and frequent them all during your session. Once you get everything set up, you will see them on your sounder around the bait schools and most times know when your going to get a hit.

I'm learning still, but i downrigged where i get my livies (inside), cause the seas were crap and got them there... I thought I was wasting my time I even get squid there now as well.. Makes sense

Fibber !

Ewe told me all ewe do is follow the DUCKS

Somedays even the ducks tell the stories...

Had a look @ it yesturday tis a pivot lever which allows you to lock in the rigger in an upright position

Velly usefull if ewe want to shoot ducks flying overhead

Hmm follow the ducks? Wonder what would happen if I followed the Swans.
That button could be handy if you wanted to lock the boom arm out of the way. Do you take your down rigger off when not in use?

I was reading the manual on the cannon downrigger about Positive Ion Control.


So how would I check that, anodes appear fine and whats this about a bonding wire? Is that just an earth to the battery, what if i run more than one battery systems like a 12 and 24 volt system.