with the rise and rise of petrol prices in which direction do u see boating going, my own feelings on this are mixed as i feel there will be a return to boats such as the putt putt boats of old built from newer materials of course,were as on the other hand the diesel stern drive may be the way to go
my little poly only costs around me around $15 a day in petrol were as a friend of mine tells me he has spent over a $150 a day running his hains fitted with a 150hp merk and is thinking about down sizing

it will be interesting to see what u all think, which way will boating go

this is what i meant by a modern putt putt with a 55hp motor it would make about 12nts i would think, but the price is a killer $115.000
diesel would be about 12lts an hour at w.o.t.
http://www.boatsonline.com.au/boats/ed.html?de=14116

No different to cars poly

Are you going to sell your car & ride a push bike because the price of fuel is so high ????

i don't think we could do with out owe cars were as a boat is a luxury and will most likely be one of the fist things to be cut from the family budget

My guess is the people who currently cannot afford to use their boat very often will continue to use their boats less. Mostly large cruisers fit into this category.

Others that have cheaper boats to run will continue to use them.

Buggered if I get it but I see more HSV utes as company vehicles now. Guess they must be making so much money that they don't care what price the petrol is.

Hopefully someone has to sell their alloy cuddy with a 115 cheap next year because they cannot afford the fuel. Dream on Freddie.

why wait

your wish is my command

http://www.boatsonline.com.au/boats/ed.html?de=32926

My guess would be that most people who love boating would try and keep their boat. This could be the only way for someone to be able to relax after working so hard. Then again those that are in a bit of strife would look at getting rid of items and the boat could be one that goes just to reduce or pay off debt.

Generally when you want to borrow money to purchase a house, the lending company would give you a rate of x amount and then they would calculate at 2 percent more. This is would be the limit that they would lend you knowing what you earn and expenses etc. So people would be ok to continue paying back their loans for an extra 2 percent above what they are borrowing. The problem is when we have an increase about the 2 percent buffer allowed by the lending company.

The other side of the coin is what about the lending company lending money to people that are calculated above limit and they still lend money to people.

It all comes back to people wanting to have or get something that they cannot really afford at the time.

So I think we might see more boats on sale.

GOOD ONE JUMPY ...I THOUGHT THAT WAS FUNNY ....BLOODY PUSH BIKE ..I GOT A CHEEP HELMET IF YA NEED ONE POLY

That boat looks awesome!! I want it..

I could afford a house IF i bought one to live in.... But cant afford rent and a house! and really dont wanna buy here cause i dont plan on staying and the market is ridiculosly overpriced!

yep i thought it was funny to Dave, but think about it for a wile the price will double in the next 3 to 5 years so the experts say
j. g. i would think your big boat would burn about 30 to 40lts an hour, please correct me if i am wrong.
at todays prices working on 30lts an hour that $45 fuel for just 1 hour if it doubles it will be $90, i have no idea just how much fuel u would burn in a full days fishing even if it was as little as 100lts i don't think to many family men could justify the expense.

poly let me tell you something that you may not be aware of.

Back in the 1990 when we were in reccesion the car & boating market was booming

WHY ???????????????????????????

Mentality of people they figured buying a home was to expensive so they borrowed $$$'s to buy either a boat or a car & chose to live in rent

Even if the price of fuel rech's $5 a litre people will still burn it in their cars & boats



No where near that

One of the reasons I went to 4 bangers was because of their fuel efficiency.

Last trip out wide prob used about 160 litres with motors reving around 4500 rpm till we got out wide then they sat on around 2600 rpm whilst we trolled.

Overall we were on the water with motors running around 10 hrs

yep people will still use it in the car as most people depend on the car to get to work the shops whatever, but the boat will suffer at $5lt by your own figers the day out would have cost $800 even at $3 it would have cost $480, if the price continues to rise i see a shift in the design of boats and the way we power them

i reakon go the tinnys, oh and the polys

yer fuel is getting out of hand my dad was going to get gas on our vz wagon and they said cause its a alloytec motor its 4 grand ... dunno if its worth it ... might be in the end it save heeps ....


i reakon i buy a 40hp four stroke when i get older ( not as old as jumpus ) and some small car ( or big )

I believe there is some sort of government cash back for installing LPG in your car so your out of pocket expense is not as much.

Gas conversions of your engine are in my opinion a compromise in all departments and I dont like them.
Lose space (big ugly tank)
lose power (LPG is just not as powerful as fuel)
more change of problems with engine (simply by adding complexity)

When you get older we have run out of oil and you'll be driving your push bike around with a tinnie in tow

Jack

that be mad jack

but with the gas change over think of it

full tank of gas ( 60 litre tank ) around 35 bucks

full tank of fuel ( 60 litre tank ) around 80 bucks

is it worth having a big ugly tank in the back when your saving 45 bucks a trip to the fuel station ... who said they lose power .. cars like mine and your jack will not lose ( yours is a vz right, all the same with commodores) power, thats not true trust me plus cars have that much power with you lose abit it will not matter,

plus the money back from the govement is only 2 grand so it still going to cost us 2 and a half grand too


just my option

Wether running on gas only or dual fuel daniel there is some power loss, big thing is 30% approx fuel economy drop compared to unleaded. Looked into it for my VR-would end up costing me $400 after cash back thing!

I can't help but feel that some of the replies in this thread are a bit narky aren't we all just having our say on the matter ??

It is OK for the guys who have jobs to say these things but I only get $300 a week and have learned what it means to go

with out. I'd love to take my wife out for tea once in a while but as Pol mentioned some of us have to watch our budget. You

might be thinking come off it thats B/S I can assure you I don't B/S and I am not complaining I am just agreeing with Pol the

fuel thing will affect a lot of lower income people. I love my life down here but I would like a few little niceities but I am

learning to be happy with what I got. As far as a bike goes some people would get a great deal of benefit from getting off


their butts and doing some exercise great for the cardio. Riding a bike lets me know I am alive.

I love my bike before I did my knee in I was riding between 80 -90 klms a day and after I get it fixed up even with

two steel knees I will be back to 40-5klms a day with a back pack on I can get into town shop a wee bit chew the fat at

McCallums Tackle shop and still have plenty in my tank to trundle home to Greenwell Point

This would give me approx. a 40 klm return trip I just love the thought. Even in the wet riding through the wet cow

Poooooooo does something for me No it doesn't grow hair For some of us we will have to get rid of a car or boat

maybe, . For me I get $300 a week and it is tough but we gotta do what we gotta do. I still have a kayak to fish out of just

makes it a bit slower and a wee bit wetter but I will still be fishing

That's just my thoughts

Well the way I look at it, is it's a gradual thing, although it's rapidly increasing speed the last few years.
People will still do their boating, although they will think more of pulling up anchor and moving to a new spot a little more, and basically go fewer times then they do now.
Who knows down the track they will probably have 4 strokes running on gas and ethonol mixture.
I am a firm believer that this government of ours will steadily increase the price of gas in a much greater volume then petrol in the next few years so in the end it will be on a par ( economy wise ) with petrol.
Gas no doubt gives less grunt, and you don't get quiet the same milage per litre, add everything up, and unless you do heaps of k's every year it's just not worth the room and expense.
Just my thoughts.

anyone thought of converting their tinnie to a Paddle wheel boat, you could get around Cheap and excercise at the same time.

Wasn't being Narky @ all & my say was as good as any

I dont have a job either, but when I did I worked by butt off in a way most here would have no idea about

I didn't get on the booze , didn't spend my $$'s on drugs never owned a credit card & allways lived within my means.

When most of you's were out fishing or taking sickies from work I was going to work even when I was legitly sick 15 years of that without a day off.

Everyone gets given oppertunities in life & some of us made the most of them I can garauntee all nobody fed me with a silver spoon.

You're talking about trivial sacrifices that you're making today ??

Tell you what, if you can give me back the 15 odd years I didn't have a life then I'll gladly give you all the $$'s that I own

jumpus you are now 33 ... wheres that money

speaking to Blake of Kroboats (where i bought my tinny from) all the interest rate hikes and fuel cost increases is hurtingg the 5-9m boat market. The smaller boat market is taking off!

while hunting around the boat yards for a motor to suit martin today i saw something that made my blood run cold,
there was a boat at the shop fitted with an inboard motor mercruiser to be exact and they had it set up to run on gas, now to me that is asking for big trouble from what i was told the petrol tank had been removed and the gas tank fitted in its place under the floor, i do think it is to dangerous to have a gas tank fitted in the bilge like that, the chance of an explosion are just to high

keep it dry to avoid corrosion other than that ....Why any higher risk than with a car?

Jack

[quote name='Jumpus GooDarus' date='Apr 28 2008, 11:25 AM' post='15877']
Wasn't being Narky @ all & my say was as good as any

I dont have a job either, but when I did I worked by butt off in a way most here would have no idea about

I didn't get on the booze , didn't spend my $$'s on drugs never owned a credit card & allways lived within my means.

When most of you's were out fishing or taking sickies from work I was going to work even when I was legitly sick 15 years of that without a day off.

Everyone gets given oppertunities in life & some of us made the most of them I can garauntee all nobody fed me with a silver spoon.

You're talking about trivial sacrifices that you're making today ??

Tell you what, if you can give me back the 15 odd years I didn't have a life then I'll gladly give you all the $$'s that I own
[/quote


Firstly I am sad not angry, I like you don't hate you, but It saddens me that you are so angry and obviously you are by the

attack on my life and it's so called "Trivial" sacrifices that I am going through now. You have NO idea of my life and it's

sacrifices now or in years gone by. You have absolutley no right what so ever to comment on my life or anybody elses

unless you have been a part of it. If I have misunderstood your reply to Pol I apologise,

I know you "Generalised" But I too worked hard all my life and had to bounce back from Drink and Drug issues and start

all over again. You worked for a rainy day I admire that. I worked to survive and get out from a place I would not want anyone to go to. I am responsible for my choices good and bad.


The comments made were about tough times for some people not about you and or how your life has been. You

always attack people Ang. I don't know why. There is no need for it. You always go for the jugular and it would appear you

don't give a care of the hurt or distruction you leave in your wake. I never attacked your person I just made a heart felt statement.

You have absolutely no right what so ever to comment on my life or anyone elses.

What I wrote was about some people doing it tough financially.

Ang you and only you only know how hard your life has been and how hard it is now with your illness which I have a great

amount of empathy and compassion for you in that department. I also acknowledge the fact that you have a kind heart,

also that worked for yourself and very hard I imagine I wasn't there so I don't know and I applaud you for your work ethic.

You are a hard worker, you are a knowledgeable fisherman. I just don't understand the attack on me as a person and there is no other way for me to take it.

"Trivial Sacrifices" how dare you. But I must say this, for you to make the statement that I have made trivial sacrifices

hurts me greatly. I am a physically tough and hard man , but I am really sad and hurting a heap now.

Ok you know Lou is crook and has had cancer and that I have dud knees and hips. Nobody knows what goes on behind

closed doors and that includes Jumpus Goodarus

I'll ask you once and once only do not ever assume anything about me or my family again Ang. I have said what need to be said.

I know deep inside you are a good bloke and I will not talk about this issue again

Bobby



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Bobby apology accepted & let me tell you why so as you dont make that same mistake again as I know you dont know how these forums work.

1stly you took & quoted one of my reply's which was legit & to the point

If fuel was $5 per litre you would still buy it no matter what you may say.

2nd if you've got something to say in these threads dont quote peoples replies just add yours as a reply in it's own words.

3rdly if Jumpus has something to say he says it, I'd rather be like that than have something bottled up inside me eating me away, that's not my style you may see that as you stated



You may see it as a attack I dont, & I do the same thing in conversation as I do in these threads I speak my mind

I'll send you a pm in regards to something you're not aware off

Hi Polly, Just reading about the gas inboards. Some years ago we went on a trip on the Shotover jetboat in NZ. 454 Chevy ,powered by gas and about a dozen pasengers each time. If anyone gets over there its a ride and ahalf.

Yep Yep

Done that one Phil !

Geez those boats can manouver good braking system huh ??

Just throw the boat into a 180 spin

i use to drive a water taxi that had the outboard powered on LPG.

Hmm, well personally i havnt been out on the water in over 3 months,

and i dont have any plans on going out on the water anytime soon, as some of you know ive got a 5.7 metre cruisecraft hustler with a 2 stroke 140hp on the back, which just loves to drink the fuel, to me personally fuel is over priced and getting more and more expensive as to the average cost of living and yes the majority of fishos and boaters are middle income earners which have young families to consider,

they have the kids to feed and bills to pay before going out and spending $$$ on a days fishing, now some of us may think well its only say for example $60 for a small boat to go out for a day fishing but to a lot of families $60 can mean the difference to there being food on the table at the end of the week and there not being any food on the table ,

while as to myself i have no little ones to look after and they have less time to them selves due to working longer hours to survive ,

heek gees i dont even have a wife any more, she packed up and left me with an empty house 3 weeks ago,

Many many fishos that i know that have small young families can no longer afford to take there boats out as not only fuel is going up but so is everything else in life and they no longer can afford to enjoy such relaxation ,
for me my choice of not going out any more is that yes the price of fuel is going up , and yes i have to work longer hours to carry on . but i have decided that i wish to start all over again and rebulid my life and try to save some money so that in 10 years i dont still own a 5.7 metre and being single again , so that in 10 years i own a 40 foot cruiser and have a young family ,

i dunno maybe im wrong but i think we all are in a different situation in these current times and while some people have chosen ( no fellow members intended ) to live a single life and be $$$ comfy , others have chosen to start a family and suffer the loss of $$$ , but i know at the end of the day as much as i love fishing id say good bye to my boat and my fishing rod to know that my children ( pray to god that i have some 1 day ) have the best up bringing that i can afford to give them ,

Hope it works out for you mate..

As for the price of fuel being the topic of the thread... I spend $700 a month on the Stuff.. Just for my 4x4 to get me around.. Dam that sucks!! But Im still driving it cause I got places to be..

I also spend way to much on Alcahol, but thats my choice... I dont save any money, but im happy doing what im doing at the moment..

One day the time will come to settle down!

Hustler trade in your big boat for a smaller tinny that can still get you to places and does it on a 30-40 hp that uses far less for a days worth of fishing.

At the end of the day I like to take my family out for a day fishing ( my wife will never be a fisho, but I hope my kids will) which is a cheap days out and keeps them out of troubles elsewhere.

a 40 hp tinny can still pull a tube/biscuit behind it as well so it makes for some family fun there as well


Jack

I really do think peeps are freting over the cost of fuel for no reason.

Yes it is alot more expensive these days compared to around 25 years back when I got my 1st decent sized boat & here's a few examples on what it used to cost then to now.

A day out in my 18 ft tinny with a 80 hp merc on the back trolling around the Banks or the Peak would use around 70 litres which would equate to around $40 - $50 if I recall correctly thing was I'd only be fishing 2 on board maybe 3 & back then my take home wage was only $220 per week.

These days I fish different & it's got nothing to do with the price of fuel

A much bigger boat longer days because I have the boat to stay out there if weather blows up running 2 much bigger outboards etc etc & if I'm going out wide I like 4 on board.

Last trip which was a pretty big day on the water from sun up to after dark we used around 140 litres which is around $200 & to be even fairer back in the old days my single outboard merc would only be sitting on 800 - 1000 revs all day cause we were polling livies around wereas these days I hit the throatles pretty hard getting out to the shelve & back.

Dont work these days so dont know what a take home wage is but I'm pretty certain it's a hell of a lot more than the mere $220 I was taking home 25 years back.

Another thing fuel efficiency in outboards has come a long way since the days of my old merc

I cant understand why peeps are freting over the price of fuel esp those with smaller boats cause a day out in my smaller tinny I'd be lucky to use 10 - 15 litres & thats for a big day out.

Now if peeps want to use their boats to ski from etc then of course you'll use more fuel reving your motor out.



Rumpus you pump more alcohol down your filler tube than you put petrol in your car

Another thing how many of you here really get out on a weekly basis to use your boats ??
Think most of you's are lucky to get out on a monthly basis, so doubt whether the price of fuel could put that big a dent in your wallets

25 years back we spent just about every weekend down @ Greenwell Pt & I used to leave my boat down there to save towing back & forth in those days our fuel bill would far exceed our accomodation bill.

Fat chance of that happening these days with accomodation being the far greater of the expenses no different to buying bait pilly's were $2 a block back then these days they're around $12 a block in sydney & a big rought down sth @around $16 a block

Yep I recon your pretty right the jumpus...

My Fuel Bill is big because I travel many Km in the 4x4..

I also think your right about costs of living.. People want so much these days and then complain that they have no money!! I know i do!! So many things I could get rid of that I dont need could save me over $200 a week, Like Austar, Braodband, Mobile Phones, Take away dinners, RUM (Nope, not stopping that one) And general things I Dont need, but choose to have!

I could also save myself Heaps by sharing accomodation, I pay $1000 a month! (+services/gas/water/power)

So by cutting back on a lot of un nessacarys I could live much better, Save money and put it into somthing better!?

Who knows... We will all find a way to survive!


Hustler... I recon the boys are spot on... If the boat is vosting you to much then get yourself a tinny with a 30 on the back.. I can do a whole day of fishing and only use 10-15 litres..

i can see hustlers point here , as i said before when there is a need to cut back the boat will be one of the fist things to go.
so we advise owe good friend to down size, but that dose not answer the question of how things will go in the future will there be a fundermental change in boating, i do believe there will be changers



in dead it is j.g. but did u have to pay for a mobile phone, internet, rates, and all the other expenses that go with modern livening to day

i can see that in the future one of the important considerations boat buyers will be looking at is the overall running costs that will be incurred by its ownership

I think we will have bigger things to worry about... Like rudzilla, and china!

Yeah well poly who's fault is that ?????

Again it all comes back to if you cant afford it then you're living beyond your means.

Personally I'd rather toss my mobile phone to the shitehouse if it meant not being able to afford going out in the boat & as far as the internet goes ??

Well I think peeps spend to much time doing their fishing in forums like this instead of being out on the water enjoying an afternoons fishing like the good old days when we didn't have the internet.

i don't own a mobile phone myself and possum keeps one in case the car should brake down and as for the internet what do u think the chances would be of meeting a jumpus goodarus,kkw, arnie dog, stevep, snapper man the list gos on in this great big world of the net
when i retire to the coast i wont be on here as much as i am now with luck it will be just a 5minute drive to the beach or boat ramp and fishing just like it was when possum and i were fist married and living in Ballina

well,

i have been thinging of taking me pushy down the river for a fish a few times, its only a few km, but i would be stuffed by the time i got there im not have fit you know, i know why i been wasting all my time here

Just RUB IT IN!!!!!!!!!!!

id be on the water HEAPS more if there was any ANYWHERE near me!!!!


Seriously though.. Its all going to depend on the person... Id keep my boat and 4x4 and get rid of the rest.. I can live on sausage sanga's!!!

In order to go fishing you do not really need a boat. There are other options when it comes to fishing.

Once you have purchased your rod, your reel, sinker, hooks , etc. The only real expense is the bait.

I have been able to go fishing on half a kilo of bait that last me and a friend the whole day. Right now we have to tighten our belts. This is not going to be the case for everyone and some people have their belts already tighten and would be able to loosen them now. But we all do need to stop spending and start saving more so that we are not hit once again with an interest rate increase.

Think some of you guys mis took what I meant by this comment



See even I get caught up on the internet whereas b4 the net I wouldn't need a excuse to go for a fish in the arvo's even after work

Really do believe the pc makes peeps lazy & I hate those BLOODY MOBILE phones that's why peeps complain I never answer mine.

They give me the shits they run peoples lives on the golf course out on boats etc etc

You cant even have a crap without somebody RINGing you

I'm blaming ABBA

It's peeps choice of lifestyles that stop them from wetting a line & not the price of fuel like I said if it gets to the stage that I cant afford fuel then I'll just have to go join Chistos out on a rock ledge.

poly I didn't say the internet was bad & yes I've met quite a few new friends from it , what I was saying is that peeps spend to much time on these type of forums/internet & not enough time outdoors doing things like fishing & enjoying ones self.

Internet is not the same as being out with someone having say a fush on a pleasant arvo & yep that last get together was a good one as peeps got to meet one another & that was thanks to the site we all have a comon interest but very few get to go out & actually wet a line for one reason or another.

I for one get very lazy & if it wasn't for some of the guys I've met on sites like this pushing me to take them out for a fish then I'd spend even more time on the computor.

That's why I initially said if fuel was $5 a litre hey I'd still go fushing

Some good reply's and opinions guys....I like Rum drive high Km's every week (round 700 in commodore and 400 in van) and the fuel bill isn't nice but have cut back on stuff to allow family life to stay comfortable-do miss taking the wife out to dinner every fortnight but we have compromised and now only do our family trip to the sports club for the raffle on fridays! I find it funny all the media beat up every week bout fuel prices and record oil barrel prices when at the bowser I'v seen little change for months...one day fuel is $1.55 a lt, next day its back down to $1.38, come long weekends its up at record prices-bloody oil companies..... someone is making a lot of money from this!

Oh I wish... I havnt seen Diesel out here for Under $1.70 in months! :(

Ahhh... diesel yes, very strange indeed.

I'm from Holland where every I'm guessing every 3rd midsize car sold is fitted with a nice "clean'ish" commonrail turbo diesel , goes 190-200 km/h and is as quick of the mark as most petrol cars. Up hill (Holland??) you leave the petrol cars way behind though.

Diesel is cheaper there than petrol, but road tax is higher. Also initial purchase is higher

BUT you get much better fuel consumption 20-25% is not uncommon compared to the same car with a similar petrol engine and far less trouble with diesel engines when you get to 200000+ kilometers on them.

No it's not limited to long weekends, it happens week in week out & I think I cop it worse where I live cause whenever i'm driving through places like Sutherland or out west it allways seems to be about 4 cents cheaper.

Think the guys on the Nth Shore also cop the rough end of the pineapple as well.

60% of the petrol stations are owned by Coles/Woolleys & those A-Holes dictate prices.

Every Sunday night around 9 pm they drop their prices come Wednesday around lunch time , up they go again cause Thurday/Friday is pay day, long weekends it stays high case peeps are out & about more in their cars.

DC didn't mean the fuel price yo yo just happens on long weekends-maybe didn't explain myself properly.....

Rum, when I lived in Bowral 2 1/2 yrs ago and owned a high performance V8(yeah love my holden) which only liked to drink Premium unleaded I was paying on average $1.55 per lt, on weekends we would drive to Sydney and pay around $1.40....darn 15c difference I will never understand it.....Mind you at the time I picked the car up from QLD in 2003 I filled it up there with Premium for under 90c per lt.

Hope I win lotto one day so I can invest in oil barrels

Thats because they factor in transport to get the fuel from Sydney to Bowral.

Fuel has allways been dearer out in the country but I got a shock horror on the last couple of trips I did up Tamworth way.

Fuel up there was same price or even cheaper than in Sydney.

You should try fueling up way out west @ places like Wilcania etc , that's when you'll get a real shock

Hey - I did apologise. You wouldn't answer the door and the noises I heard coming from inside were horrible. I thought someone was strangling you, so rang the mobile to see if you answered before I drove the 10klm to the Police Station. Needed to stop and buy some lunch first, but would have been back to bash the door down within the next 3 hrs.

Refer to my other post!! OUTRAGED!!!!!!!

anyone know where the local suicide booth is?