.270, .308, 30.06, What would you prefer Options

[Spudly]

haha, Where bouts are there pizza shops?? One of My old mans neigbours owns pizza shops and their sons run their formwork company up in Sydney.. They got a few hundered acres between my dads 2 properties down south. Cant think of their names. Think they might have had a pizza shop at Huskison?

[salty fil]

Nah. wrong bloke mate.

Im out at Dee why.

But i do know the one in Husky your talking about. Eaten there many a time.


Just spoke to my mate, he told me a good starting gun for me would be either a 223 or a 224. Preferably the 223. And not to get a 222 cause their phasing them out.

Any chance of getting a farmers letter from you Rumpy? I could go through other channels through people who know people, but i dont know how long that could take.

[poly]

here u go Salty, this sight will give you some idea of prices for the gun u are after.

http://www.rpgfirearms.com.au/rifle.html

may help you to rum

[salty fil]

Thanks Poly. Good stuff.

[Spudly]

Salt, a great starting point is the 223 or the 22.250

Many argue over this, but i think it will depend on where you are going to shoot and how much. Theres a few articles when I was looking for a new article back in the archives, Comparing the Tikka's to the Weatherby. I ended up with the Weatherby SUB-MOA in 22.250 with a few extra custom features, and would not hesitate to buy another.

The 223 is Probably one of the best all rounders, Small enough to use on small game, but still has enough kick to use on pigs and such if you can place a good shot.

The 22.250 fires the same projectile but has a larger casing and more powder therfore more bang. I have been shooting with some pro's latly chasing pigs and roo's and its their preferred calibre out west due the extra distance, flat projectary and that extra bit of knockdown when a big boar sticks his head up..

Again, its all going to depend on what your going to be shooting!!

Warning!! Its just like fishing... Once ya start.....

[salty fil]

So you reccomend the same as my mate. So that the one il be getting when the time comes.

If its just like fishing then il be in the shi7 with the missus.

If i get into it that much i wont be getting into her.....

[poly]

Warning!! Its just like fishing... Once ya start.....

how true is that

[poly]

i will differ a little here and say that the fist gun should be a .22 ammo is ferry cheap and a good way to learn the skills needed to make clean shots and it helps to stop what is called recoil reflex

[Spudly]

Was going to add tht before poly! they are almost essential.. And probably the most fun out of them all.. Sitting at a rabbit warren shooting bunnies.

[poly]

very true my friend it is gr8 fun

[SUMOFISHIN]

Rum,
ammunition prices vary between makes and suppliers, but on average 308 ammo is around $18 to $20 With 270, 30:06 and 300wm ammo generally priced from $25 plus per box of 20
Deals can be sought when buying 200 rounds or more but the bigger caliburs still demand big prices in excess of $1 per round even in 500 to 1000 lots.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

I did own a Sako .270 & regret ever getting rid of it & it'll be a .270 if & when I get another big gun.

The caliber will flat shoot out to 400 meters & yep I have pulled off some spectacular shots with it.

Having said that I have to pick on SUMO

I have pulled off some incredible shots on roo's and Pigs at 1000 and 1200mtrs now

SUMO I've seen you shoot & find that very hard to believe, not to mention Daves reckons you got all your trophies on E-Bay

Do you know how far 1200 meters is ???

I've also seen the way you scope your firearms & doubt very much if you've ever had a scope bigger than a 3 x 9 x 40

I'm using a 12 x on my hornet & have dropped a wabbit @ over 300 meter on a windless day but I'll tell you what I wont sit here & tell porkies that I could repeat that shot @ will.

270 and 30:06 is minimal and both caliburs are almost obsolete in Australia,

Where do you get nonsense like that from ????

There's more to Australia than the town of Manilla you know

Rumpus if you're going to use a calibre like the .270 it's not as expensive as what some think it is as long as you dont go about doing stupid things like shooting @ everything that comes along.

Talking about a high powered firearm here, think about it how many shots would you go through in a day ???

[Spudly]

12x on a Hornet.........

[Jumpus GooDarus]

It's my wabbit gun mainly Spud

I dont like walking & sit up on the hills @ Wyangalla head shooting wabbits out to 200 meters after they've gone down for the day I go pick up the wabbits

The big scope lets you see the wabbits wiskers @ that range

[Spudly]

Fair enough, sounds like overkill to me... May I ask what scope ya used? was it a variable, good quality?

Well ill add some more of my thoughts now anyway..

The way I see it, there is not a great deal of differance in which you choose..
The .270 is a necked down version of the 30.06, and as far as rescearch has suggested is that they were made as a sporting version of the 06. They shoot Flat and fast, but the 06 has the obvious advantage of shooting 220gn compared to the 170 being limited around 150gn.

The 308 is one of the most popular actions around today. Shorter action and in terms of factory rounds, uses a less of a faster burning poweder that will fire the projectile at similar speed to the 270 and 06, but may not have quite the range. It also has slightly less recoil.. And a much wider range of projectiles avail, in Australia..

SOOOO...

I recon, any one will do the job, but I think that 308 will give more options than the other 2 rifles.. I dont plan on shooting over 1000m, prob not even half that.. Being able to shoot 110gn to 180gn will be an advantage.

[Spudly]

For Your Infomation, Stolen from Wikipedia...

Ballistic performance .270
Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy
90 gr (5.8 g) HP 3,603 ft/s (1,098 m/s) 2,595 ft·lbf (3,518 J)
130 gr (8.4 g) SP 3,085 ft/s (940 m/s) 2,748 ft·lbf (3,726 J)
140 gr (9.1 g) SP 2,916 ft/s (889 m/s) 2,644 ft·lbf (3,585 J)
150 gr (9.7 g) SP 2,850 ft/s (870 m/s) 2,706 ft·lbf (3,669 J)


Ballistic performance 30.06 Springfeild
Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy
150 gr (9.7 g) Nosler Ballistic Tip 2,900 ft/s (880 m/s) 2,820 ft·lbf (3,820 J)
165 gr (10.7 g) BTSP 2,800 ft/s (850 m/s) 2,872 ft·lbf (3,894 J)
180 gr (12 g) Nosler partition 2,900 ft/s (880 m/s) 3,315 ft·lbf (4,495 J)
200 gr (13 g) Partition 2,570 ft/s (780 m/s) 2,932 ft·lbf (3,975 J)
220 gr (14 g) RN 2,500 ft/s (760 m/s) 2,981 ft·lbf (4,042 J)


Ballistic performance .308
Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy
150 gr (9.7 g) Nosler tip 2,820 ft/s (860 m/s) 2,648 ft·lbf (3,590 J)
165 gr (10.7 g) BTSP 2,700 ft/s (820 m/s) 2,671 ft·lbf (3,621 J)
168 gr (10.9 g) BTHP 2,650 ft/s (810 m/s) 2,619 ft·lbf (3,551 J)
175 gr (11.3 g) BTHP 2,600 ft/s (790 m/s) 2,627 ft·lbf (3,562 J)
180 gr (12 g) Nosler partition High-Energy 2,740 ft/s (840 m/s) 3,000 ft·lbf (4,100 J)

Image .308 next to a 30.06

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[SUMOFISHIN]

Good work Rum,
Now check out the statistics for all three using the most common 150gn projectile, you will find that there is not much difference and the 308 uses a lot less powder to do the job and is a lighter round to carry, the noise factor is vastly different making the 308 the better performer, I also used to load my 308 with 125gn and 130gn projectiles which made it a very outstanding load, I don't have figures at hand but did chronograph some at over 3300fps.using Sierra projectiles.

[SUMOFISHIN]

SUMO I've seen you shoot & find that very hard to believe, not to mention Daves reckons you got all your trophies on E-Bay

Do you know how far 1200 meters is ???

I've also seen the way you scope your firearms & doubt very much if you've ever had a bigger than a 3 x 9scope

AND I do think that you have seen my 6-30 x 56 scope.
Jumpus,
well here we go again the only rifle that you have seen me use is a 7.62X39 using a 4to12power scope this little rifle is great for close range shooting, and at the time you were here it wouldn't place 2 shots in a 1 ft circle with Dave jumping up and down on my back( it has now been backbored) The reason I use this rifle so much is that the ammo cost me $4 a box of 20,


** Ps this was mentioned as a pun not to be taken as preducidical , Please don't think that I am being sarcastic.

And to those that don't know, Jumpus and I ARE friends with different opinions.

This post has been edited by Jumpus GooDarus: Sep 21 2008, 04:04 PM

[Spudly]

Already got my Scope for the Rifle, Its a Hakko 5-15 x 56.. Doing some extra shifts at work so it might be sooner than I think that Ill get it.. Sumo? You interested in a sale? Wanna Price up a few for me? Im after Timber stock, Heavy Barrel #3?, and Blued..

[kkw]

ooooooo. I lugged around a heavy barrel 22/250 on a hunting trip in the mountains. Not again - ever. Ok if you are going to hunt from a vehicle and/or set up on a bipod or something, but for hunting - no thanks.