Starting to think bout the next cartrige..... Its a while off but trying to get Ideas and some more gun chat going..

I like the idea of having such a large range of projectiles's in the .308, Can run lighter gn's when for general hunting and put the heavier gn's in when shooting deer.

The .270 and 30.06 have better range and a flatter projectory I am led to beleive, However never shooting these guns myself I thought Id ask on here and see what others are using.

Kaboooom. They both have a LOUD report. Ammo cost may be an issue for me. I have fired both and used both whilst hunting in N.Z. I finally settled for a Winchester Mod70 Deluxe in .308. It did it all for me and ammo was reasonable to buy or to reload. Sold it for a couple of hundred more than I paid, as the guy really wanted it I then went out and bought a Tikka .308.
That is the calibre I would choose. I have shot Tahr, Chamois, deer, pigs and buffalo with the .308 and it worked perfectly. Only once did I need a second shot on a buff. I can send you the article on that one if you like.

Would like to read that KKW...

What Gn bullets did you prefer to use in the .308 KKW?

I actually had a look at a Tikka Hunter in Timber/blued. Somthing about the Tikkas appeals. They are a quality rifle and are available at very reasonable prices.

As I say, this is for next year. I plan on doing a Vic High country trip and need a gun that i can stop Sambar with. I would use My 22.250 but law requires a minimun of .243 or .270??

Send me the rumpus email again

chaddz250@hotmail.com..

Chad,
I'm with KKw on this, as I've said before I used them all, and always preffered the 308w being a NATO round the ammo is readily available, I have pulled off some incredible shots on roo's and Pigs at 1000 and 1200mtrs now I don't know what range you want to shoot over but the extra benefit of the noisy 270 and 30:06 is minimal and both caliburs are almost obsolete in Australia, I have had 308 in Ruger, Remington, Spanish Mauser, and settled on a very solid Aus Mountaineer which is a Japanese Howa and a better rifle by a long shot Also sold as Weatherby.

Let me know if you come accross any Sumo.. Hopefully will be able to pop in and say gday on my return from QLD.

Ive been Roo Shooting with a mate who uses a CMC in 22.250 and its a nice rifle. was not aware that they are the same as my weatherby. He is running a #3 barrle and it shoots straight as a die all night long.

Rum to me Deer hunting is about stalking the closer you can get the less gun you will need.
an old friend only hunted during the rut and called the stags by roaring to bring them out in the open, on one occasion while I was with him the stag came to within 20mts before firering killing it with a clean head shot using a 30/30w.

30.30's are great up close. Have even made a few longer range shots with them, But they aint much good for anything over 100yds consistently.

I also want to be able to use this rifle when for longer range shots. The .308 has been my preferred option, but its good to get some discussion about it from people who have shot the other calibres..

Rum have u thought about the 300win mag, good for bufflo or bantang cattle in the N.T.

Yea, have also had a look at the 300mag also in a tikka, I think to much bang and recoil for what im after though..

Sumo, Would you be able to give me prices on factory rounds for all the ablve mentioned rifles.. As this will also play a part in what i decide upon.

By the box of 20 rounds;
308, 30.06, 270, 300WM

very true, its most likley to be as much gun as u would ever need in oz

Dont know much about the language you guys are talking, but it is interesting cause i just sent my form in for my gun license.

Ive been invited hunting in about a month. Never been but always wanted to go.

Want to get a gun as soon as i can so i have to start learning about all the spics and specs. Organise a safe and stuff like that.

Will take you bout 2 months to get ya license, you will have to wait the cooling off period, as well as do your test and wait for procesing times.

At least by then the whole permit to aquire process wil be reduced.

Let me know when time comes to get a safe. Might be able to help ya out there.

Where you heading Salty, You work in Concrete formwork right? Just outta curiosity, you dont know anyone who runs a pizza shop do you?

Salty the best way we can help is to let us know the type of hunting you will be doing
'i.e.' sniping bunny's over long distance, pigs in thick scrub, roos in open country, buffalo in the top end, the list gos on and on.
join a club and shoot as often as you can at there range, listen to people like kkw, sumo j.g. and rum that boy knows more than he is letting on i think.

Hey, I just enjoy talking bout them!!
and shooting them..

Especially since moving west its become more of a sport as there aint as much else to do..

Get out 3-4 Days a week these days. Will be more once i move outta town and onto the block. Will have 3 State Forests and thousands of acres of Farms to shoot on withing 15 mins. Goats, Foxes, Rabbits and Pigs...

Are you stalking me?

Yeh i work in that game mate. Im a steel fixer.

I do know someone who has a pizza shop. I worked there for a while and still help out when he needs me.

Please explain........


The guys are heading somewhere round Mudgee going for Goat and hopefully a pig turns up for the guts.

I may be letting you know about that safe when the time comes thanks mate.

I dont know as of yet which species il be targeting more.

Might look at getting a couple of guns which will cover a range of things.

Then when i get experienced and more knowledge about guns il get more specific.

Will keep you all posted as i need advice.

haha, Where bouts are there pizza shops?? One of My old mans neigbours owns pizza shops and their sons run their formwork company up in Sydney.. They got a few hundered acres between my dads 2 properties down south. Cant think of their names. Think they might have had a pizza shop at Huskison?

Nah. wrong bloke mate.

Im out at Dee why.

But i do know the one in Husky your talking about. Eaten there many a time.


Just spoke to my mate, he told me a good starting gun for me would be either a 223 or a 224. Preferably the 223. And not to get a 222 cause their phasing them out.

Any chance of getting a farmers letter from you Rumpy? I could go through other channels through people who know people, but i dont know how long that could take.

here u go Salty, this sight will give you some idea of prices for the gun u are after.

http://www.rpgfirearms.com.au/rifle.html

may help you to rum

Thanks Poly. Good stuff.

Salt, a great starting point is the 223 or the 22.250

Many argue over this, but i think it will depend on where you are going to shoot and how much. Theres a few articles when I was looking for a new article back in the archives, Comparing the Tikka's to the Weatherby. I ended up with the Weatherby SUB-MOA in 22.250 with a few extra custom features, and would not hesitate to buy another.

The 223 is Probably one of the best all rounders, Small enough to use on small game, but still has enough kick to use on pigs and such if you can place a good shot.

The 22.250 fires the same projectile but has a larger casing and more powder therfore more bang. I have been shooting with some pro's latly chasing pigs and roo's and its their preferred calibre out west due the extra distance, flat projectary and that extra bit of knockdown when a big boar sticks his head up..

Again, its all going to depend on what your going to be shooting!!

Warning!! Its just like fishing... Once ya start.....

So you reccomend the same as my mate. So that the one il be getting when the time comes.

If its just like fishing then il be in the shi7 with the missus.

If i get into it that much i wont be getting into her.....

how true is that

i will differ a little here and say that the fist gun should be a .22 ammo is ferry cheap and a good way to learn the skills needed to make clean shots and it helps to stop what is called recoil reflex

Was going to add tht before poly! they are almost essential.. And probably the most fun out of them all.. Sitting at a rabbit warren shooting bunnies.

very true my friend it is gr8 fun

Rum,
ammunition prices vary between makes and suppliers, but on average 308 ammo is around $18 to $20 With 270, 30:06 and 300wm ammo generally priced from $25 plus per box of 20
Deals can be sought when buying 200 rounds or more but the bigger caliburs still demand big prices in excess of $1 per round even in 500 to 1000 lots.

I did own a Sako .270 & regret ever getting rid of it & it'll be a .270 if & when I get another big gun.

The caliber will flat shoot out to 400 meters & yep I have pulled off some spectacular shots with it.

Having said that I have to pick on SUMO



SUMO I've seen you shoot & find that very hard to believe, not to mention Daves reckons you got all your trophies on E-Bay

Do you know how far 1200 meters is ???

I've also seen the way you scope your firearms & doubt very much if you've ever had a scope bigger than a 3 x 9 x 40

I'm using a 12 x on my hornet & have dropped a wabbit @ over 300 meter on a windless day but I'll tell you what I wont sit here & tell porkies that I could repeat that shot @ will.



Where do you get nonsense like that from ????

There's more to Australia than the town of Manilla you know

Rumpus if you're going to use a calibre like the .270 it's not as expensive as what some think it is as long as you dont go about doing stupid things like shooting @ everything that comes along.

Talking about a high powered firearm here, think about it how many shots would you go through in a day ???

12x on a Hornet.........

It's my wabbit gun mainly Spud

I dont like walking & sit up on the hills @ Wyangalla head shooting wabbits out to 200 meters after they've gone down for the day I go pick up the wabbits

The big scope lets you see the wabbits wiskers @ that range

Fair enough, sounds like overkill to me... May I ask what scope ya used? was it a variable, good quality?

Well ill add some more of my thoughts now anyway..

The way I see it, there is not a great deal of differance in which you choose..
The .270 is a necked down version of the 30.06, and as far as rescearch has suggested is that they were made as a sporting version of the 06. They shoot Flat and fast, but the 06 has the obvious advantage of shooting 220gn compared to the 170 being limited around 150gn.

The 308 is one of the most popular actions around today. Shorter action and in terms of factory rounds, uses a less of a faster burning poweder that will fire the projectile at similar speed to the 270 and 06, but may not have quite the range. It also has slightly less recoil.. And a much wider range of projectiles avail, in Australia..

SOOOO...

I recon, any one will do the job, but I think that 308 will give more options than the other 2 rifles.. I dont plan on shooting over 1000m, prob not even half that.. Being able to shoot 110gn to 180gn will be an advantage.

For Your Infomation, Stolen from Wikipedia...

Ballistic performance .270
Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy
90 gr (5.8 g) HP 3,603 ft/s (1,098 m/s) 2,595 ft·lbf (3,518 J)
130 gr (8.4 g) SP 3,085 ft/s (940 m/s) 2,748 ft·lbf (3,726 J)
140 gr (9.1 g) SP 2,916 ft/s (889 m/s) 2,644 ft·lbf (3,585 J)
150 gr (9.7 g) SP 2,850 ft/s (870 m/s) 2,706 ft·lbf (3,669 J)


Ballistic performance 30.06 Springfeild
Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy
150 gr (9.7 g) Nosler Ballistic Tip 2,900 ft/s (880 m/s) 2,820 ft·lbf (3,820 J)
165 gr (10.7 g) BTSP 2,800 ft/s (850 m/s) 2,872 ft·lbf (3,894 J)
180 gr (12 g) Nosler partition 2,900 ft/s (880 m/s) 3,315 ft·lbf (4,495 J)
200 gr (13 g) Partition 2,570 ft/s (780 m/s) 2,932 ft·lbf (3,975 J)
220 gr (14 g) RN 2,500 ft/s (760 m/s) 2,981 ft·lbf (4,042 J)


Ballistic performance .308
Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy
150 gr (9.7 g) Nosler tip 2,820 ft/s (860 m/s) 2,648 ft·lbf (3,590 J)
165 gr (10.7 g) BTSP 2,700 ft/s (820 m/s) 2,671 ft·lbf (3,621 J)
168 gr (10.9 g) BTHP 2,650 ft/s (810 m/s) 2,619 ft·lbf (3,551 J)
175 gr (11.3 g) BTHP 2,600 ft/s (790 m/s) 2,627 ft·lbf (3,562 J)
180 gr (12 g) Nosler partition High-Energy 2,740 ft/s (840 m/s) 3,000 ft·lbf (4,100 J)

Image .308 next to a 30.06

Good work Rum,
Now check out the statistics for all three using the most common 150gn projectile, you will find that there is not much difference and the 308 uses a lot less powder to do the job and is a lighter round to carry, the noise factor is vastly different making the 308 the better performer, I also used to load my 308 with 125gn and 130gn projectiles which made it a very outstanding load, I don't have figures at hand but did chronograph some at over 3300fps.using Sierra projectiles.

AND I do think that you have seen my 6-30 x 56 scope.
Jumpus,
well here we go again the only rifle that you have seen me use is a 7.62X39 using a 4to12power scope this little rifle is great for close range shooting, and at the time you were here it wouldn't place 2 shots in a 1 ft circle with Dave jumping up and down on my back( it has now been backbored) The reason I use this rifle so much is that the ammo cost me $4 a box of 20,


** Ps this was mentioned as a pun not to be taken as preducidical , Please don't think that I am being sarcastic.

And to those that don't know, Jumpus and I ARE friends with different opinions.

Already got my Scope for the Rifle, Its a Hakko 5-15 x 56.. Doing some extra shifts at work so it might be sooner than I think that Ill get it.. Sumo? You interested in a sale? Wanna Price up a few for me? Im after Timber stock, Heavy Barrel #3?, and Blued..

ooooooo. I lugged around a heavy barrel 22/250 on a hunting trip in the mountains. Not again - ever. Ok if you are going to hunt from a vehicle and/or set up on a bipod or something, but for hunting - no thanks.

got my 250 for luggin kkw... Its Fibregaurd, stainless and fluted and nice and light, with a leupold on top...

This one will be for shooting out of the car, or minimal lugging..

Any Opinions on the Hakko Scopes??

Rum,
Try checking out the specials in the shooting magazines, If they haven't got what you want advertised just give them a ring, you never know what some of these big dealers have hiding in corners.

Rumpus it all boils down to what you know.

I know .270 & that's where I'll go again no different to fishing tackle

And yep as kk said these big guns do get a bit heavy to lug around I'll prob have to get me a caddy if I get another one

I priced the Tikka .270 @ the Bankstown gun shop a few months back with stainless barrel $1,050

Now that the cooling off period is no more when I finally decide to go for another shoot I can just walk in & buy it

Runnus Fustus gave me a scope a couple of months back cant recall brand name I'll have to dig it out to see
I can tell you I liked the optics on it & the scope came with it's own bridge mounts

Rumpus, just a quick check of what I have left.
900 x large rifle primers, Lee Loader (hand loader) for .357/.38, RCBS 5-0-5 scales, RCBS single stage press with shell holder, RCBS powder thrower/measure, 3 x caseguard ammo boxes(50 rds), .22 Hornet dies and shell holder as new, Bushnell bore scope sighter/collimator, CMI Deluxe Rifle safe. about 600 rds .222 handloaded ammo.

Im interested in the press and associated gear to use it. Thhe .222 rounds and safe aint much use, but i have a mate with one, so may be able to pass them onto him.. Are they new or used brass.

They are rounds. Loaded ammo. Ready to fire.

I was told that a new line of scopes would be appearing on gunshop shelves early in 2002. Well, they are here.

Hakko is a well-known Japanese scope manufacturer and has had 40 years’ experience in this field. Many shooters may be using one of their products without knowing it, as they have produced scopes for other companies for many years.

Olin Australia (Winchester) will be distributing the new range under the Hakko brand name. It will be emphasised that these scopes are fully manufactured and assembled in Japan and not outsourced to other countries.

Eight riflescopes were supplied for this review. Five were from the ‘Smooth Body’ BH series, which have one-inch aluminium tubes. The other three were from the ‘Superb’ range, which, among other features, have a one-piece aircraft grade aluminium 30mm tube. All have a matte finish and are filled with dry nitrogen.

All Hakko scopes are claimed to be ‘wide angle’ and ‘magnum proof’.

This is a neat little scope that would be absolutely ideal on a rimfire or perhaps a .22 Hornet. For hunting small game on foot out to 150 metres, this is an excellent spread of scope power. It would also be a good choice for spotlighting rabbits, as too much power can be a hindrance at night. The standard duplex-type crosshairs were fine enough in the centre to allow for precise aiming on small targets. The quarter-minute click adjustments were positive and were user-friendly. A raised section of the knob made adjustment possible with thumb and forefinger.

Although these two scopes appear to be similar, the 4x is actually 30cm in length, which is some 3cm shorter than the 6x. The clarity of all of the scopes tested was above average and either of these two scopes would give good service to those who prefer fixed power at the lower magnification. There should be no problem about putting one of these on your favourite centrefire rifle for general use. Both scopes employed the standard duplex reticle, which is arguably the best choice for all round hunting.

This scope is 35.5cm in length and shooters may have to remove the rear sights (if supplied) when fitting to their rifle. Scopes of this power are ideal for longer range sniping at small targets, such as rabbits and crows. The duplex crosshairs are fine enough to allow for precise aiming and a tennis ball at a measured 200 metres could be quartered. The perceived ‘brightness’ of the image in failing light bears testimony to modern lens technology.

The second of the variables tested, the BHZFW 4-12x40 is a longer scope, at 37cm and just less than half a kilo in weight. The most obvious feature is the range focus, also known as ‘parallax adjustment’ or ‘adjustable objective’ by other manufacturers. This allows for precise focussing at high magnifications and is a useful feature. There have been problems with some variables in the past, which would change point of impact when the power was moved from low to high - but not with this scope. The variable power covers a useful range and could be used for various applications with a centrefire rifle.

At 38cm and 500gm, plus a 56mm objective lens, this is a big scope. It has a one-inch tube, but high mounts will almost certainly be required to clear your barrel. Years ago, when skins were worth something, most professional fox rifles were equipped with 8x56 scopes of some persuasion. The wide field of view, plus the extra light-gathering power, makes this configuration attractive.

The R8 GR reticule is unusual in that it has three thick bars that extend out from the three, six and nine o’clock positions. Along the horizontal crosshair, there are three stadia bars either side of the centre. These are excellent for holding off in crosswinds. The vertical crosshair contains numerous lines for holding over at extreme range, plus a graded series of lines for range estimation. As it is difficult to explain how this works without having the actual scope in front of the reader, I suggest that prospective buyers ask to see one and refer to the comprehensive instructions. An interesting feature is the use of an erector tube coil spring - this is a superior method of ensuring that the point of impact does not change and is often seen on high quality benchrest scopes.

This scope weighs in at more than 600gm, has a 30mm tube and is 40cm in length. Medium to high mounts will be required for most rifles. It has a military-style mil-dot reticule, with four dots extending out from the centre in all four directions. Even those not familiar with this layout will soon appreciate the ease with which targets can be acquired at extreme ranges. Instead of the more common front lens adjustable objective, this scope has a side-mounted arrangement, which is graduated from ten yards out to infinity. The theory behind this, as I understand it, is that a tactical shooter can make adjustments with his left hand, so his right hand is free to control the rifle and trigger while continuing to observe through the scope.

There is a new patented gear zoom system, which utilises a 35-degree cut in the tube. This differs from the usual 270-degree cut required by many scopes. It is claimed that this results in a body strength 34 times stronger than the old method.

The military-style knobs were quite stiff to use and were graduated into quarter-minute clicks. This is a serious scope for serious work and would not look out of place on any quality rifle.

At 42cm in length and 800gm in weight, this is a big scope. The 56mm objective lens dictates that high mounts be used on most rifles. The power range will cover most applications that the average shooter will encounter.

It also features a side mounted range focus, again graduated from ten yards to infinity.

Target type elevation and windage knobs are supplied as standard. It is recommended a rifle be zeroed using this scope and then the owner may set up calibrated rings that are part of the adjusters. Pick a distance, zero the rifle and then set the ring at ‘0’ with the Allen key supplied. Using this set-up, one can always have a reference point to go back to if further adjustments are ever made.

The ‘IL’ in the title refers to this scope having an illuminated dot in the centre of the crosshairs. This works very well in failing light and gives an excellent reference point. However, it is easy to leave the IL power ring in the ‘on’ position and flatten the expensive three-volt battery. One would be well advised to seek out a spare, as these proved hard to find.


Sumo has batteries on hand.

Yea, I read that on the SSAA website.. Have you ever seen them Sumo? Would you reccomend one? Im not sure what price they are worth.. Im buying ti from a freind (Professional Shooter) in the box, at what he claims is a Bargin.. But have neer heard much of the brand myself.

He said its a 5-15 x56

Found this Rum.. Do you feel like some practice?

A PIG the size of a shetland pony is holding a woman hostage on a property in northern New South Wales.

Caroline Hayes says she cannot go out of her Uki house to use the outdoor toilet because the pig is aggressive towards her.

Ms Hayes, 63, says the pig has managed to get into her bedroom.

"It's a beautiful male pig but he's just so big and so pushy," she said.

"He's actually getting very cranky at the moment. He pushes my door and I push a little bit and he gets in and I've got to push him out of my room."

She says says even rangers from Murwillumbah Council have failed to capture the animal.

"The rangers came out to my house yesterday with a dog cage and this pig is that big, it's like trying to put an elephant in a dog cage," she said.

"They tried for a little while and they couldn't do it. They got him halfway in and he just backed off and went back to my dam, where he was having a lovely time in the water."

Rangers are still trying to capture the pig today.

Yeah. Take a broom with you just in case.