Rod For Flickin Lures Around, What would you get ? Options

[quintrex101]

Hey guys im in the market for a new rod i wanna get one for my bday in around 2 weeks but i cant work out what woud be good for flicking lures around for flatties and bream ?

I was thinking of the new LOX rod from viva ? what size would you get and how much are they ?

Oh and are there any other brand/models worth looking at ?

As for a reel im thinking of a little 1500 shimano sedona or something like that with 6lb braid.. any good ?

Thankss

This post has been edited by flattie_hunter: Feb 1 2010, 02:42 AM

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Mentioned it elsewhere

Got to play around with sum samples that only arrived in oz last fliday

They are LOX rods but with a real Spoofed up appearance & hardware on them special design for the Complete angler stores

I wanted a few of them but was chased down & ankle tackled when I tried leaving the building with them

Cant have them till complete angler get to see them 1st

I will say this, besides looking real hot I really liked the configuration & winch positioning, original LOX spin are OK with me cause I have so many of them & my spin rods are just that spin rods

These new wuns allow the angler to use the rods as bait rods as well as spin, an advantage for those who cant afford to have a rod for evey application

I was thinking of the new LOX rod from viva ? what size would you get and how much are they ?

Danial Twit Top Sun [woops 4got the S again]

Have a look @ the 2 - 5 kg stick

I do have a couple & took them up to pt stephens xmas time, I was using wun & the Duck Flakka the other

Think these are a better option than the 1 - 3 kg sticks as they give ewe a wider range

[catchnrelease]

What price range are you in?

Lox look good, but don't think they're the only rod out there. Heaps of rods out there for that kind of market.

2-5kg rod will make short work of bream, I would prefer the 1-3kg for a bit of sport. A 1-3kg stick will knock over big flathead too, just take your time.

As for the reel, if you're after bream then get a Sedona, but it might pay in the long run to invest a bit more $$$ (not a huge amount) if you want it to double up for kings, salmon etc. I've caught heaps of kings and salmon on 1-3kg gear too, so don't think it's too light.

Symetre's come straight to mind, they have enjoyed a great reputation as being a great reel for a cheap price.

This post has been edited by catchnrelease: Feb 1 2010, 03:43 AM

[quintrex101]

Thanks fellas.

Jumpy Mate any idea when complete angler will be getting these rods mate ?

Alex mate the price range i dont really mind. I just want a nice rod for flicking lures around instead of cheaper $50 shimano bait stick. $200 would be max for the rod. I'll have a look and feel of both the 1-3 kg stick and the 2-5kg stick and see which one i like better. I do like the idea of going light as possible. Would you go for the Symetre 1000FJ and what brand braid would you wrack on it ? around 6lb im guessing .. and that would be alrightt to run to about 10lb fluro for flatties ?

Wouldnt mind getting some of them new blades as well.

Sorry for all the questions its just im spending a fair bit of money [ in my books ] and i dont wanna get stuck with an un balanced combo.
Cheers

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Thanks fellas.

Jumpy Mate any idea when complete angler will be getting these rods mate ?


Cheers

Takes 3 months after the order is placed for the container to arrive from Chi Nee

These are the style of the rods

http://www.viva.com.cn/fish-rod-europe-jigging-en.htm

Danial Twit Top Sun [woops 4got the S again]

4get the 1 - 3 kg stick

4 starters ewe'll never use 1 kg line so why go down to that range ???????

With the 2 - 5 kg the rod opens your options alot wider I've used both & have had fun catching 35 cm wee wittle snappa's on the 2 - 5 kg stick it's still got the nice action to it & will still let ewe whip out light lures on it .

[catchnrelease]

For flathead I run 12-16lb just for peace of mind, but I've caught fish over 60cm using 6lb leader and plenty smaller than that around the 50cm mark on 4lb leader. The trick is to just back of the drag and put as little pressure on the line as possible because it's almost always going to be scuffed up. You can definitely land flathead on 10lb.

As far as rods go, there are so many makes and models. Go to a well stocked tackle store and start searching around, picking up different ones and seeing how they feel.

If you're after a 2-5kg rod, try the Pflueger Trion Tournament series. Much cheaper than a Lox and are apparently damn good rods. However personally I'd prefer lighter. To me a 2-5kg rod is better for salmon and rat kingfish, it's too heavy for bream and whiting. I use an Infeet for bream which is 1-4kg and love it. The only problem is the small guide size which makes casting leaders (or leader knots) over 10-12lb difficult. But I don't use that anyway (usually 4-6lb for bream) so it doesn't matter to me.

I run really light drags for bream to avoid pulling hooks, so you need a really light rod with a really light tip to still load up with light drags so you can keep pressure on the fish easily.

I'm pretty tired and about to hit the hay, I'll respond in more detail tomorrow. Flicking lures for bream and flathead is my specialty, I've been doing it almost exclusively for the past few years (some years I do it more than others, depending on what other options are available to me) and naturally I've learnt a bit tackle wise about what's good and what's bad.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

and naturally I've learnt a bit tackle wise about what's good and what's bad.

Googlefushy ewe've learnt Sierra Foxtrot Alpha

Just read your last reply it says alot about your fushing style 4 starters

For flathead I run 12-16lb just for peace of mind

You've got 2b joking in general frutwuns give ewe as much fight as a wet paper bag exception is when you're fushing velly shallow water, they dont try reefing ewe or wrapping ewe around structure all they do is try to swim back to the bottom.

4lb leader on them huh ? Me dont tinks so fratwuns aren't a shy fushy & a wise person targeting them will use a much heavier leader cause of thier lota of wittle teethies which have a habit of cutting through many a leader wunce ewe get the fushy to the boat/close to shore & they decide to swing around for a final dash.

Wot I find so amusing about your reply & has given me the chuckles is that you're consistantly telling us that you use mainly 1 - 3 kg outfits so tell us do ewe spool up such outfits with 6 - 8 kg line ???????

Cause that in my books is a total mis match & tackle not used as it was designed for not to mention ewe have no right claiming you've caught the fish on that line class cause line class is very self explanatory

Flicking lures for bream and flathead is my specialty,

My dog can even catch flathead but he much prefers spinning for Catfish

Any bloody can catch flathead it's not about the tackle it's all about knowing where to find them

As far as rods go, there are so many makes and models. Go to a well stocked tackle store and start searching around, picking up different ones and seeing how they feel.

That is the only accurate statement ewe've made in your whole reply, but price wise ?? well it all comes down to hardware on the rods, type of guides, reel seats etc etc

Wot gets me though is how ewe're like an old scratched record cause it matters not wot rod a person asks about ewe'll allways jump in with the same old boring reply

Pflueger Trion Tournament series

Let me ask if ewe even own wun ????????????????????????

I use an Infeet for bream which is 1-4kg and love it. The only problem is the small guide size which makes casting leaders (or leader knots) over 10-12lb difficult. But I don't use that anyway (usually 4-6lb for bream) so it doesn't matter to me

Unless you're fushing for Flathead huh

I run really light drags for bream to avoid pulling hooks, so you need a really light rod with a really light tip to still load up with light drags so you can keep pressure on the fish easily.

Above quote has 2b the biggest load of horse shit I've ever RED it reminds me of christos undies

tell me oh wise wun do ewe agree there's a far greater chance of setting the hook with more drag than a velly light wun ??

If so ewe must miss alot of hookups using a velly light drag setting, once a hook is set it's constant pressure that keeps it in not a lightly set drag

[catchnrelease]

JG you've jumped to conclusions. However it's partially my fault for not explaining it properly. No offence, but I know what I'm talking about when it comes to this kind of fishing.

You've got 2b joking in general frutwuns give ewe as much fight as a wet paper bag exception is when you're fushing velly shallow water, they dont try reefing ewe or wrapping ewe around structure all they do is try to swim back to the bottom.

4lb leader on them huh ? Me dont tinks so fratwuns aren't a shy fushy & a wise person targeting them will use a much heavier leader cause of thier lota of wittle teethies which have a habit of cutting through many a leader wunce ewe get the fushy to the boat/close to shore & they decide to swing around for a final dash.

Wot I find so amusing about your reply & has given me the chuckles is that you're consistantly telling us that you use mainly 1 - 3 kg outfits so tell us do ewe spool up such outfits with 6 - 8 kg line ???????

Cause that in my books is a total mis match & tackle not used as it was designed for not to mention ewe have no right claiming you've caught the fish on that line class cause line class is very self explanatory

I use 12-16lb LEADER, not line, and that's just for the teeth. When I chase flathead, I chase BIG flathead. I'm not interested in catching smaller fish because they don't fight all that well (like you said) except for the minority that are just supercharged for some reason, and I don't really rate duskies on the tooth unless they're from super clean water. I do most of my fishing in the Parramatta River remember.

I run braid on all my lure outfits, and I always use lures when chasing flatties. Whenever I've caught them on 4lb LEADER it has been as bycatch whilst targeting bream. However my point is still valid, you can catch flatties on light LEADERS if you know how to fight them properly.

My dog can even catch flathead but he much prefers spinning for Catfish

Any bloody can catch flathead it's not about the tackle it's all about knowing where to find them

Catching flatties is not hard at all. But some newbies still have trouble. Bream can be much fussier though.

Let me ask if ewe even own wun ????????????????????????

No, that's why I said they're APPARENTLY good rods.

Unless you're fushing for Flathead huh

It's called bycatch. My rod for flathead has larger guides and a stiffer tip so I can work heavier SP's more easily.

Above quote has 2b the biggest load of horse shit I've ever RED it reminds me of christos undies

tell me oh wise wun do ewe agree there's a far greater chance of setting the hook with more drag than a velly light wun ??

If so ewe must miss alot of hookups using a velly light drag setting, once a hook is set it's constant pressure that keeps it in not a lightly set drag

Actually it's far and away the best way to fish for bream when using lures that come with tiny hooks. You have your drag set normally, then once you've set the hooks you BACK OFF the drag (unless you're near some snags). That way you avoid pulling hooks, particularly with really small trebles which may not be pinned in the right place, i.e. right on the top of the lip or lightly in the cheek. You still keep constant pressure on it, just light constant pressure.

This post has been edited by catchnrelease: Feb 1 2010, 04:41 PM

[Jumpus GooDarus]

No offence,

I didn't get offended cause I was busy myself

Catching flatties is not hard at all. But some newbies still have trouble

That's their own fault, instead of going out & chasing them most of their time is spent on the computor trying to find out how

There's no substitute for expirience & ewe cant learn that from books or on the internet ewe have to be out there trying

No, that's why I said they're APPARENTLY good rods.

That is wot really piss's me off on forums it goes on everywhere esp with the higher priced gear they'll rave on about it but dont have a clue as to weather all the hype is true or false

then once you've set the hooks you BACK OFF the drag

Let me tell ewe a wittle true story wittle PadWunGernner

I didn't take up fushing till I was about 19 yo, I was into spearfushing a mate took me down sth to a place called The Tubes in JB, well ewe cant be in the water all day so he set up a rod for me to fush with, out went the livey under a float, an hr or so later there was a wittle big marlins jumpusing all over the place.

Thing was this wittle big marlins had eaten my yakkasaurus, I got busted off after a minute prob not even that I had a good excuse cause I'd never fushed B4 esp with an overhead star drag reel but my mate had & should've known better.

He had instructed me to back off the drag whilst feeding out the yakkasaurus [free spooling] & if I got a run to just tighten up the drag knob well i did that & went to tight & Pop Went The Weasel

Drags should be set & never tampered with on a days fushing if ewe want more pressure then use your thumb, hand , penis or wotever instrument you desire but make sure ewe feel the fushy through the rod & be prepared to release that extra pressure if the fush wants to run.

Your methods are cowboyish & it probally comes from watching sum of those irriots on the Tellaveese

Now !

Why I've recommended a 2 - 5 kg stick rather than the lighter 1 - 3

1 - 3 kg are specialist sticks sum bloody like Danial Sun is not GooDarus @ this stage to warrant owning wun but if he keeps eating his weat bix wun day he will be

They are more prone to tip breakage in the hands of a novice the 2 - 5 kg sticks are alot more 4giving not to mention capable of tossing out heavier jig heads which could cause damage on the lighter rod

[alex]

Hey FH a really good rod that is off the shelf that i have had a bend of is the new shimano JEWEL range check them out

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Alex !

Danial Sun is after a rod to flick lures around with not a pole to bludgen Marlins over the head with

[catchnrelease]

Let me tell ewe a wittle true story wittle PadWunGernner

I didn't take up fushing till I was about 19 yo, I was into spearfushing a mate took me down sth to a place called The Tubes in JB, well ewe cant be in the water all day so he set up a rod for me to fush with, out went the livey under a float, an hr or so later there was a wittle big marlins jumpusing all over the place.

Thing was this wittle big marlins had eaten my yakkasaurus, I got busted off after a minute prob not even that I had a good excuse cause I'd never fushed B4 esp with an overhead star drag reel but my mate had & should've known better.

He had instructed me to back off the drag whilst feeding out the yakkasaurus [free spooling] & if I got a run to just tighten up the drag knob well i did that & went to tight & Pop Went The Weasel

Drags should be set & never tampered with on a days fushing if ewe want more pressure then use your thumb, hand , penis or wotever instrument you desire but make sure ewe feel the fushy through the rod & be prepared to release that extra pressure if the fush wants to run.

Your methods are cowboyish & it probally comes from watching sum of those irriots on the Tellaveese

Now !

Why I've recommended a 2 - 5 kg stick rather than the lighter 1 - 3

1 - 3 kg are specialist sticks sum bloody like Danial Sun is not GooDarus @ this stage to warrant owning wun but if he keeps eating his weat bix wun day he will be

They are more prone to tip breakage in the hands of a novice the 2 - 5 kg sticks are alot more 4giving not to mention capable of tossing out heavier jig heads which could cause damage on the lighter rod

Drags can definitely be tampered with during a fight. The whole "set and forget" line of thinking is valid, and a lot of the time they do stay at the setting they started at, but there are times where you have to change it. I'm talking about backing off the drag as well, not tightening it up. Saying that drags should never be changed during a fight is a load of BS. Maybe you shouldn't be playing with them as a newbie, but once you know how to properly fight a fish you can confidently change the drag to suit the situation. I KNOW I can.

My backing off the drag technique is tried and tested. I figured it out myself, and it works great. I started out leaving the drag set and was wondering why I was pulling so many hooks just as the fish came close to shore and when they were lightly hooked, I then decided to back the drag off and let the fish run around with little pressure on the awkward hook setting and found myself landing a lot more fish. Particularly flatties that were rubbing against light leaders aimed for bream. I can confidently say that this technique has landed me a lot of fish I otherwise would have lost by leaving the drag at what it was.

I can also vouch for the Jewel too. I have a 7'6" 1-4kg stick, it's heavier than the Infeet and with a stiffer tip, but is a good rod for the price. I use it mainly for squidding and flatties due to its large guide size. It's essentially one of the Raider II's with a different grip.

There's nothing 'specialist' about a 1-3kg rod JG. You don't have to have years of experience before you can use gear that light. I think Dan would be experienced enough to know NOT to highstick a rod and is aware that all rods have their limitations.

Dan, I'm doing a lot of overnighters nowadays in the Hacking, and am waiting for a break in the weather so we can head down and do another one. If you want you can drop by in your little tinny and I can show you first hand how to go about this whole business. It's easier for me to give you this info face to face than on the internet.

[storms72]

Raider 2 2-5kg estuary spin-yeah i'v got one and a bit stiff for really light jig-heads, ideal for blades.
Reel-look @ the saros-on sale @ BCF-2500 would be fine or the 3000-same body but larger spool capacity. Own a 3000 saros 2-have used it for flatties @ bot bay & the entrance. Bream & ep's @ woy woy-worked great, might want to consider the 2-4kg rack raider....All fuji components on raider rods. Check out the okuma celilo rods 2-6kg-brilliant stick for under $200-matches up great with a stradic or sustain. A lot more whip in the tip than the raiders and more guts in the butt., kings @ bot bay were accounted for on the 2500 sustain to 63cm.

[Spudly]

Alex, How old are you, must be at least 50 with the years of fishing experience you've had? Or does your dad own a tackle store...

Time to start concentrating on ya school books mate and stop surfing the fishing sites!!

Hey dan, Ive got a few of the older Viva RAP Rods, for flicking lures and they are cheap and work great, there action might not be idea to alex's specs, but they caught me fish from toad's to kings to cod... Cheaper option for you if ya can still find em...

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Maybe you shouldn't be playing with them as a newbie, but once you know how to properly fight a fish you can confidently change the drag to suit the situation. I KNOW I can.

Tis obvious to me that you're not as GooDarus as ewe make out 2B googlefushy & it's ewe who's laying on the Boo Shit

If ewe cant control & feel wot the hooked fushy is doing through your rod I'm afraid the gear you're using is CRAP or ewe just dont have the knack

Only time ewe ever need to tamper with a set drag in my book is if you're out game fushing for speedster that peel off alot of line & ewe need to drop the drag down to allow for water pressure

My backing off the drag technique is tried and tested. I figured it out myself,

That comment says it all

There's nothing 'specialist' about a 1-3kg rod JG. You don't have to have years of experience before you can use gear that light

Me tinks you're in Ga ga Land when ewe make comments like this & never think about wot you're saying nor do ewe access the application the person asking the Q is all about.

Not even I have fushed 1 kg line for many many moons so would I recomend Twit Top or anybody else go out & buy a 1 - 3 kg stick ??????

The stick limits them to the max 3 kg line class whereas a 2 - 5 kg stick increases their options a hell of alot more

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Hey dan, Ive got a few of the older Viva RAP Rods, for flicking lures and they are cheap and work great,

Spud they are briliant blanks a couple of mates of mine fush the ABT's & wont use anything else , grant it their rods are custom built with all the good fuji gear on them

[quintrex101]

hmm alot of thinking to do

thanks guys and catch i was thinking of doing a night fish on the hacking one day in the coming weeks i'll let you know

[Fed]

I'm skillful enough to change my drag on the fly and my new Viva bait runner drag has a lot of turns lock to lock so that makes it even easier to adjust in small amounts.

[catchnrelease]

Tis obvious to me that you're not as GooDarus as ewe make out 2B googlefushy & it's ewe who's laying on the Boo Shit

If ewe cant control & feel wot the hooked fushy is doing through your rod I'm afraid the gear you're using is CRAP or ewe just dont have the knack

Only time ewe ever need to tamper with a set drag in my book is if you're out game fushing for speedster that peel off alot of line & ewe need to drop the drag down to allow for water pressure

I can control and feel exactly what the fish is doing. I know when the fish is going to run through experience. And just because I'm 18 doesn't mean I'm not experienced. I have been fishing for as long as I can remember. Unlike you I didn't wait until my late teens to pick up fishing.

Just because a person uses a DIFFERENT method than you doesn't mean it's wrong or even bad. There are many proper ways of fighting a fish.

Maybe when you're bait fishing a lot of the fish are hooked properly but try running tiny barbless trebles and see how they fare. A flapping bream on the surface will throw these more often than not if they're hooked in the cheek or not properly in the gob. It's much better to let the fish run than flap on the surface.

That comment says it all

Don't know what that's supposed to mean.

Me tinks you're in Ga ga Land when ewe make comments like this & never think about wot you're saying nor do ewe access the application the person asking the Q is all about.

Not even I have fushed 1 kg line for many many moons so would I recomend Twit Top or anybody else go out & buy a 1 - 3 kg stick ??????

The stick limits them to the max 3 kg line class whereas a 2 - 5 kg stick increases their options a hell of alot more

OK. The original post was for a rod for flicking lures for BREAM and FLATHEAD. I've have been flicking lures for these fish for many many years. I've used rods from 1-3kg to 3-5kg. Now, if I was going to buy a rod for these two fish I would get the 1-3kg rod every time over 2-5kg. If I wanted a rod for salmon and kings, whilst at the same time flicking for bream and flathead then and only then would I go with the 2-5kg rod. So you can use a 2-5kg rod, but you will get a lot more sport from a bream using a lighter rod. Also, if you're luring for bream (especially in the Hacking) I would be using 2-4lb leader, 6-8lb maximum if you're near heavy structure. I would also be using 1/32-1/16oz jigheads at most unless I was fishing really deep water. But even then there isn't much current in a lot of the best Hacking bream spots (most of which are quite shallow anyway).

Strength wise, a 1-3kg rod will take any bream and flathead you can throw at it.

I would also STRONGLY recommend using braid on these outfits. Your choice of leader will depend on the conditions, not the rods rating. My choice of braid also revolves around its diameter to avoid knotting and premature breakage. I could run 4lb braid on my outfits but I don't because it's too thin. A good quality 8lb braid is thin and avoids wind knots and can take a bit of scuffing.

[jasonb]

ok jumpy your turn again ,,jas