Hey guys im in the market for a new rod i wanna get one for my bday in around 2 weeks but i cant work out what woud be good for flicking lures around for flatties and bream ?

I was thinking of the new LOX rod from viva ? what size would you get and how much are they ?

Oh and are there any other brand/models worth looking at ?

As for a reel im thinking of a little 1500 shimano sedona or something like that with 6lb braid.. any good ?

Thankss

Mentioned it elsewhere

Got to play around with sum samples that only arrived in oz last fliday

They are LOX rods but with a real Spoofed up appearance & hardware on them special design for the Complete angler stores

I wanted a few of them but was chased down & ankle tackled when I tried leaving the building with them

Cant have them till complete angler get to see them 1st

I will say this, besides looking real hot I really liked the configuration & winch positioning, original LOX spin are OK with me cause I have so many of them & my spin rods are just that spin rods

These new wuns allow the angler to use the rods as bait rods as well as spin, an advantage for those who cant afford to have a rod for evey application



Danial Twit Top Sun [woops 4got the S again]

Have a look @ the 2 - 5 kg stick

I do have a couple & took them up to pt stephens xmas time, I was using wun & the Duck Flakka the other

Think these are a better option than the 1 - 3 kg sticks as they give ewe a wider range

What price range are you in?

Lox look good, but don't think they're the only rod out there. Heaps of rods out there for that kind of market.

2-5kg rod will make short work of bream, I would prefer the 1-3kg for a bit of sport. A 1-3kg stick will knock over big flathead too, just take your time.

As for the reel, if you're after bream then get a Sedona, but it might pay in the long run to invest a bit more $$$ (not a huge amount) if you want it to double up for kings, salmon etc. I've caught heaps of kings and salmon on 1-3kg gear too, so don't think it's too light.

Symetre's come straight to mind, they have enjoyed a great reputation as being a great reel for a cheap price.

Thanks fellas.

Jumpy Mate any idea when complete angler will be getting these rods mate ?

Alex mate the price range i dont really mind. I just want a nice rod for flicking lures around instead of cheaper $50 shimano bait stick. $200 would be max for the rod. I'll have a look and feel of both the 1-3 kg stick and the 2-5kg stick and see which one i like better. I do like the idea of going light as possible. Would you go for the Symetre 1000FJ and what brand braid would you wrack on it ? around 6lb im guessing .. and that would be alrightt to run to about 10lb fluro for flatties ?

Wouldnt mind getting some of them new blades as well.

Sorry for all the questions its just im spending a fair bit of money [ in my books ] and i dont wanna get stuck with an un balanced combo.
Cheers

Takes 3 months after the order is placed for the container to arrive from Chi Nee

These are the style of the rods

http://www.viva.com.cn/fish-rod-europe-jigging-en.htm

Danial Twit Top Sun [woops 4got the S again]

4get the 1 - 3 kg stick

4 starters ewe'll never use 1 kg line so why go down to that range ???????

With the 2 - 5 kg the rod opens your options alot wider I've used both & have had fun catching 35 cm wee wittle snappa's on the 2 - 5 kg stick it's still got the nice action to it & will still let ewe whip out light lures on it .

For flathead I run 12-16lb just for peace of mind, but I've caught fish over 60cm using 6lb leader and plenty smaller than that around the 50cm mark on 4lb leader. The trick is to just back of the drag and put as little pressure on the line as possible because it's almost always going to be scuffed up. You can definitely land flathead on 10lb.

As far as rods go, there are so many makes and models. Go to a well stocked tackle store and start searching around, picking up different ones and seeing how they feel.

If you're after a 2-5kg rod, try the Pflueger Trion Tournament series. Much cheaper than a Lox and are apparently damn good rods. However personally I'd prefer lighter. To me a 2-5kg rod is better for salmon and rat kingfish, it's too heavy for bream and whiting. I use an Infeet for bream which is 1-4kg and love it. The only problem is the small guide size which makes casting leaders (or leader knots) over 10-12lb difficult. But I don't use that anyway (usually 4-6lb for bream) so it doesn't matter to me.

I run really light drags for bream to avoid pulling hooks, so you need a really light rod with a really light tip to still load up with light drags so you can keep pressure on the fish easily.

I'm pretty tired and about to hit the hay, I'll respond in more detail tomorrow. Flicking lures for bream and flathead is my specialty, I've been doing it almost exclusively for the past few years (some years I do it more than others, depending on what other options are available to me) and naturally I've learnt a bit tackle wise about what's good and what's bad.

Googlefushy ewe've learnt Sierra Foxtrot Alpha

Just read your last reply it says alot about your fushing style 4 starters



You've got 2b joking in general frutwuns give ewe as much fight as a wet paper bag exception is when you're fushing velly shallow water, they dont try reefing ewe or wrapping ewe around structure all they do is try to swim back to the bottom.

4lb leader on them huh ? Me dont tinks so fratwuns aren't a shy fushy & a wise person targeting them will use a much heavier leader cause of thier lota of wittle teethies which have a habit of cutting through many a leader wunce ewe get the fushy to the boat/close to shore & they decide to swing around for a final dash.

Wot I find so amusing about your reply & has given me the chuckles is that you're consistantly telling us that you use mainly 1 - 3 kg outfits so tell us do ewe spool up such outfits with 6 - 8 kg line ???????

Cause that in my books is a total mis match & tackle not used as it was designed for not to mention ewe have no right claiming you've caught the fish on that line class cause line class is very self explanatory



My dog can even catch flathead but he much prefers spinning for Catfish

Any bloody can catch flathead it's not about the tackle it's all about knowing where to find them



That is the only accurate statement ewe've made in your whole reply, but price wise ?? well it all comes down to hardware on the rods, type of guides, reel seats etc etc

Wot gets me though is how ewe're like an old scratched record cause it matters not wot rod a person asks about ewe'll allways jump in with the same old boring reply



Let me ask if ewe even own wun ????????????????????????



Unless you're fushing for Flathead huh



Above quote has 2b the biggest load of horse shit I've ever RED it reminds me of christos undies

tell me oh wise wun do ewe agree there's a far greater chance of setting the hook with more drag than a velly light wun ??

If so ewe must miss alot of hookups using a velly light drag setting, once a hook is set it's constant pressure that keeps it in not a lightly set drag

JG you've jumped to conclusions. However it's partially my fault for not explaining it properly. No offence, but I know what I'm talking about when it comes to this kind of fishing.



I use 12-16lb LEADER, not line, and that's just for the teeth. When I chase flathead, I chase BIG flathead. I'm not interested in catching smaller fish because they don't fight all that well (like you said) except for the minority that are just supercharged for some reason, and I don't really rate duskies on the tooth unless they're from super clean water. I do most of my fishing in the Parramatta River remember.

I run braid on all my lure outfits, and I always use lures when chasing flatties. Whenever I've caught them on 4lb LEADER it has been as bycatch whilst targeting bream. However my point is still valid, you can catch flatties on light LEADERS if you know how to fight them properly.



Catching flatties is not hard at all. But some newbies still have trouble. Bream can be much fussier though.



No, that's why I said they're APPARENTLY good rods.



It's called bycatch. My rod for flathead has larger guides and a stiffer tip so I can work heavier SP's more easily.



Actually it's far and away the best way to fish for bream when using lures that come with tiny hooks. You have your drag set normally, then once you've set the hooks you BACK OFF the drag (unless you're near some snags). That way you avoid pulling hooks, particularly with really small trebles which may not be pinned in the right place, i.e. right on the top of the lip or lightly in the cheek. You still keep constant pressure on it, just light constant pressure.

I didn't get offended cause I was busy myself



That's their own fault, instead of going out & chasing them most of their time is spent on the computor trying to find out how

There's no substitute for expirience & ewe cant learn that from books or on the internet ewe have to be out there trying



That is wot really piss's me off on forums it goes on everywhere esp with the higher priced gear they'll rave on about it but dont have a clue as to weather all the hype is true or false



Let me tell ewe a wittle true story wittle PadWunGernner

I didn't take up fushing till I was about 19 yo, I was into spearfushing a mate took me down sth to a place called The Tubes in JB, well ewe cant be in the water all day so he set up a rod for me to fush with, out went the livey under a float, an hr or so later there was a wittle big marlins jumpusing all over the place.

Thing was this wittle big marlins had eaten my yakkasaurus, I got busted off after a minute prob not even that I had a good excuse cause I'd never fushed B4 esp with an overhead star drag reel but my mate had & should've known better.

He had instructed me to back off the drag whilst feeding out the yakkasaurus [free spooling] & if I got a run to just tighten up the drag knob well i did that & went to tight & Pop Went The Weasel

Drags should be set & never tampered with on a days fushing if ewe want more pressure then use your thumb, hand , penis or wotever instrument you desire but make sure ewe feel the fushy through the rod & be prepared to release that extra pressure if the fush wants to run.

Your methods are cowboyish & it probally comes from watching sum of those irriots on the Tellaveese

Now !

Why I've recommended a 2 - 5 kg stick rather than the lighter 1 - 3

1 - 3 kg are specialist sticks sum bloody like Danial Sun is not GooDarus @ this stage to warrant owning wun but if he keeps eating his weat bix wun day he will be

They are more prone to tip breakage in the hands of a novice the 2 - 5 kg sticks are alot more 4giving not to mention capable of tossing out heavier jig heads which could cause damage on the lighter rod

Hey FH a really good rod that is off the shelf that i have had a bend of is the new shimano JEWEL range check them out

Alex !

Danial Sun is after a rod to flick lures around with not a pole to bludgen Marlins over the head with

Drags can definitely be tampered with during a fight. The whole "set and forget" line of thinking is valid, and a lot of the time they do stay at the setting they started at, but there are times where you have to change it. I'm talking about backing off the drag as well, not tightening it up. Saying that drags should never be changed during a fight is a load of BS. Maybe you shouldn't be playing with them as a newbie, but once you know how to properly fight a fish you can confidently change the drag to suit the situation. I KNOW I can.

My backing off the drag technique is tried and tested. I figured it out myself, and it works great. I started out leaving the drag set and was wondering why I was pulling so many hooks just as the fish came close to shore and when they were lightly hooked, I then decided to back the drag off and let the fish run around with little pressure on the awkward hook setting and found myself landing a lot more fish. Particularly flatties that were rubbing against light leaders aimed for bream. I can confidently say that this technique has landed me a lot of fish I otherwise would have lost by leaving the drag at what it was.

I can also vouch for the Jewel too. I have a 7'6" 1-4kg stick, it's heavier than the Infeet and with a stiffer tip, but is a good rod for the price. I use it mainly for squidding and flatties due to its large guide size. It's essentially one of the Raider II's with a different grip.

There's nothing 'specialist' about a 1-3kg rod JG. You don't have to have years of experience before you can use gear that light. I think Dan would be experienced enough to know NOT to highstick a rod and is aware that all rods have their limitations.

Dan, I'm doing a lot of overnighters nowadays in the Hacking, and am waiting for a break in the weather so we can head down and do another one. If you want you can drop by in your little tinny and I can show you first hand how to go about this whole business. It's easier for me to give you this info face to face than on the internet.

Raider 2 2-5kg estuary spin-yeah i'v got one and a bit stiff for really light jig-heads, ideal for blades.
Reel-look @ the saros-on sale @ BCF-2500 would be fine or the 3000-same body but larger spool capacity. Own a 3000 saros 2-have used it for flatties @ bot bay & the entrance. Bream & ep's @ woy woy-worked great, might want to consider the 2-4kg rack raider....All fuji components on raider rods. Check out the okuma celilo rods 2-6kg-brilliant stick for under $200-matches up great with a stradic or sustain. A lot more whip in the tip than the raiders and more guts in the butt., kings @ bot bay were accounted for on the 2500 sustain to 63cm.

Alex, How old are you, must be at least 50 with the years of fishing experience you've had? Or does your dad own a tackle store...

Time to start concentrating on ya school books mate and stop surfing the fishing sites!!

Hey dan, Ive got a few of the older Viva RAP Rods, for flicking lures and they are cheap and work great, there action might not be idea to alex's specs, but they caught me fish from toad's to kings to cod... Cheaper option for you if ya can still find em...

Tis obvious to me that you're not as GooDarus as ewe make out 2B googlefushy & it's ewe who's laying on the Boo Shit

If ewe cant control & feel wot the hooked fushy is doing through your rod I'm afraid the gear you're using is CRAP or ewe just dont have the knack

Only time ewe ever need to tamper with a set drag in my book is if you're out game fushing for speedster that peel off alot of line & ewe need to drop the drag down to allow for water pressure



That comment says it all



Me tinks you're in Ga ga Land when ewe make comments like this & never think about wot you're saying nor do ewe access the application the person asking the Q is all about.

Not even I have fushed 1 kg line for many many moons so would I recomend Twit Top or anybody else go out & buy a 1 - 3 kg stick ??????

The stick limits them to the max 3 kg line class whereas a 2 - 5 kg stick increases their options a hell of alot more

Spud they are briliant blanks a couple of mates of mine fush the ABT's & wont use anything else , grant it their rods are custom built with all the good fuji gear on them

hmm alot of thinking to do

thanks guys and catch i was thinking of doing a night fish on the hacking one day in the coming weeks i'll let you know

I'm skillful enough to change my drag on the fly and my new Viva bait runner drag has a lot of turns lock to lock so that makes it even easier to adjust in small amounts.

I can control and feel exactly what the fish is doing. I know when the fish is going to run through experience. And just because I'm 18 doesn't mean I'm not experienced. I have been fishing for as long as I can remember. Unlike you I didn't wait until my late teens to pick up fishing.

Just because a person uses a DIFFERENT method than you doesn't mean it's wrong or even bad. There are many proper ways of fighting a fish.

Maybe when you're bait fishing a lot of the fish are hooked properly but try running tiny barbless trebles and see how they fare. A flapping bream on the surface will throw these more often than not if they're hooked in the cheek or not properly in the gob. It's much better to let the fish run than flap on the surface.



Don't know what that's supposed to mean.



OK. The original post was for a rod for flicking lures for BREAM and FLATHEAD. I've have been flicking lures for these fish for many many years. I've used rods from 1-3kg to 3-5kg. Now, if I was going to buy a rod for these two fish I would get the 1-3kg rod every time over 2-5kg. If I wanted a rod for salmon and kings, whilst at the same time flicking for bream and flathead then and only then would I go with the 2-5kg rod. So you can use a 2-5kg rod, but you will get a lot more sport from a bream using a lighter rod. Also, if you're luring for bream (especially in the Hacking) I would be using 2-4lb leader, 6-8lb maximum if you're near heavy structure. I would also be using 1/32-1/16oz jigheads at most unless I was fishing really deep water. But even then there isn't much current in a lot of the best Hacking bream spots (most of which are quite shallow anyway).

Strength wise, a 1-3kg rod will take any bream and flathead you can throw at it.

I would also STRONGLY recommend using braid on these outfits. Your choice of leader will depend on the conditions, not the rods rating. My choice of braid also revolves around its diameter to avoid knotting and premature breakage. I could run 4lb braid on my outfits but I don't because it's too thin. A good quality 8lb braid is thin and avoids wind knots and can take a bit of scuffing.

ok jumpy your turn again ,,jas

Googlefushy !

Geez ewe're a twit

Ewe seem to parade around in your very own dream world completely ignorant to the styles other peeps fush

How many people do ewe think go around using barbless hooks on their lures ?????

Flucking NONE

So why bring it up ??????

I'm afraid you're grasping @ straws in a bid to justify your methods

I've said it B4 & I'll say it again

Jumpus dosen't enter debates he can lose

I dont put shit on tackle I've never used unless sum wun deserves a serve of my tongue with their bullashitta

Whenever I do a right up on gear that's given to me I dont hesitate to include any flaws I think that gear may have

No different to when I reply to a persons querry I access that persons capabilities as a fisherman when I give advice it helps cause quite a few here have fushed with me & the rest tis not hard to work out

Ewe on the other hand go off 1/2 cocked recomending gear you've never used & assuming every wun wants to fush like ewe

WRONG!

I personally know many people that use barbless trebles on their bream HB's and I have been doing so for many years. I don't lose many fish due to doing so because I back off the drag when fish come close to shore/the surface when they start to flap around and get in awkward positions. Used properly they rarely fall out and are good to use because they're easy to remove from both the fish and your fingers if you're unlucky enough.



You have never fished with me or seen me fish. How can you know my fishing capabilities? From these forums?

I also haven't put shit on any specific piece of tackle. What I've done is suggest some rods to take a look at (which is in fact complimentary).

The only thing I've put shit on is rod ratings. Oh, and by the way I HAVE used rods up to 5kg for bream and flathead and I didn't like them! Hence why I'm saying specifically for bream and flathead you will get a lot more out of a lighter rod.



Aren't you doing the exact same thing? It seems that if a person suggests a method differing to yours you immediately dismiss it. If not then that's what it seems like.

Even so, I'm merely suggesting methods, not criticising like you are.

When it comes down to it I don't care what rod he chooses or how he fights his fish, it doesn't affect me I'm just trying to help him out because I've been there and done that when it comes to flicking lures for bream etc.

Name wun on this site ??



I've never Q'd your capacity to catch wittle fishys or be popular down @ 4sure rd

Why I have a dig @ ewe is cause like I said ewe go off 1/2 cocked with your replys without tinking about wot your saying.



Again you're missing the whole point, this thread was started by Danial Sun he's never fushed with me but I've a very GooDarus idea of wot he's like as a fisho

Have seen his boat & the way he rigs his rods & have to admit Danial Sun I had a good laugh

I also know he's only just gotten into this SP'n thingamajiggy & is very much a novice @ it & here's ewe trying to fill his head up with info not suited to his style of fushing



No he wont get more out of a lighter rod, when wun day he gets good enough & wants to spesialise then he may very well end up with a rod collection like mine until that day happens I think the 2 - 5 kg stick is best suited to him.

Ewe haven't used the LOX rods nor know anything about them & the original Q was about the LOX

Not a great deal of difference between the 1 - 3 kg & the 2 - 5 kg sticks [esp to a novice] in the tips so he wont lose a great deal of whip action if casting velly light lures, if he was to spool reel up with 2kg line then I'd say by all means go with a 1 - 3 kg stick irrellevant of brand but he's not going to do that.



Nothing of the kind I'm picking on your methods cause they're far fetched & not suited to person asking the Q

No one, but this site is tiiiiiiny (no offense). I can name a few from some other sites. If you want go to a place called breammaster.com. It's WA based but I've been a member for a while. The site is dedicated to breaming (with lures) and a lot of them use barbless trebles.



Actually you did.

"Tis obvious to me that you're not as GooDarus as ewe make out 2B googlefushy & it's ewe who's laying on the Boo Shit

If ewe cant control & feel wot the hooked fushy is doing through your rod I'm afraid the gear you're using is CRAP or ewe just dont have the knack"

Regardless I don't care. I know I'm good because I've put in the hard yards to develop a way to successfully hook and land nice sized bream using lures on a consistent basis.



Because you said so?

I think you give way too little credit to a lot of people here.

Seeing how he's fishing the Hacking I would think he would be using 1-3kg leader material. I certainly would be, not because of the rods rating but because Hacking bream are usually very wary because of the clean and clear water.



Not really far fetched at all. Anyone can do it too, it's not hard to back off the drag a bit. As long as you have some sort of grasp on fishing gear and how it works (as I believe Dan does) then you can successfully back off the drag and land more fish that you'll lose. Why don't you try it first before dismissing it?

hey young flattie hunter ,have you been able to get any sense from these two yet ,,lol maybe you should ask somewhere else ,,,,jas

Get a Shimano Lipstix Twerp, you're girlfriend will love you forever.

And ewll site that ewe visit like Sydney Angler not tinny huh

Wot a joke every 2nd reply there is

Ask Bla Bla Bla cause he's our sponsor

Wot a joke

Esp that Iain F**kwit who banned me & I hadn't even posted there, I dont to kindly to people telling porkies & that F***kwit was sending out emails trying to stooge people into going on an Ambition Charter when the YFT were not around telling people they were.

I set him straight & he banned me, all via email not even Neil on Sportsfish was as bad as that arse Sucking Felcher

And ewe want to call this sight tinny ???

@ least here peeps are steered in the right direction




Get it through your thick head , nobody here is into that style of fushing so would anybody want to go there ???????

Lure fushing is only for a select few & only do it as a break from bait fushing it would be a boring practice to lure fish day in day out.

Not even going to reply to your other quotes they are tu stupid to warrant an answer

Er, I think he said tiny not tinny.

come on guys now now ,,no more, we are all mates here ,,,jas

What does SA have to do with anything? What does how Iain banned you have to do with anything? What does Ambition have to do with anything? What do sponsors have to do with anything?

I'm not an admin there, all I do is run comps. There a LOT of great blokes on that site, don't group the whole member base as one in a negative way from how one of them treated you (and I'm not surprised you got banned).

When I said this site is tiny I meant it's tiny numerically. It has just over 150 members and even fewer are active. Now, not that that's a bad thing BUT how can you say that nobody uses lures on bream from a site with so few members? Or in fact gauge anything when your basing everything from such a small site?



Again wrong. Just.....wrong. How about ausbream? That's Sydney based and has over 2500 members. Sure, not all of them use lures, but it's focussed around the bream on lure scene.

There are a lot of bait fisho's out there but there are also a lot of people who use lures for bream near 100% of the time. To say it's only a select few as if there's only a handful of people who do it is just false.

What about all the ABT tournaments with their huge turn outs?

I've tried to be as polite as I can through out this whole debate but how the f*ck can you justify that comment? Because you don't use lures for bream, nobody does? Because you don't know anybody who uses lures for bream, none must exist? What a load of BS.

This thread has gone completely off course. Once again I'm done arguing with you and your bigoted mind set.

Dan, if you're still reading this then hopefully you can swing by for one of our overnighters and I can give you some hands on experience.

I'm not the wun who opened this can of worms ewe were, when ewe called this site tiiiiiiny / tinny or wotever your intentions were

This may not be the worlds greatest site but here evllybody gets to say wot they want within a very lax reasoning without having their posts/threads deleted & the person banned

We may not have 1,000's of members either but who wants them if they never partake, I was actually surprised when I looked @ stats recently & saw how many partake here

All the sites you have listed run under Dicktakeship rule run by Hanibal Lectors who take pride in silencing their lambs.

Ambition ?????

Dont know the guy nor do I care to, all I can say about him is if he spent as much time tending to his charter as he does yap yaping on the VHF he'd catch alot more fish I have to turn the radio off cause he's all I hear.



I'm pretty sure there is, no different to this site I've met quite a few here



Let me tell ewe wun thing Googlefushy !

I dont tolerate Bullshit, I dont Bullshit on these forums & I definately dont like getting Bullshitted to, I'll have a go @ anywun who does so & wot that Iain idiot done was totally wrong, I may not be an Angel on forums but I'm down to earth & that's why I get banned from so many sites they cant handle the truth.



For a person who prides himself on having an education ewe dont read to good do ewe ????

I dont care about all the other sites or wot they get up to my concern is this site & it's members

I'm not the wun who started with barbless hooks etc etc all I've done in this thread which all started with Danial asking a simple Q

e was nothing wrong with your 1st reply in this thread either quite good actually twas when ewe started with drags & hooks that I started on ewe

Ewe fail to grasp peeps like Danial are only bigginers @ lure casting



Ewe really make me laugh Googlefushy Ewe have no idea who I know or how full my tackle box's are of lures given to me by various co's to try out

Exept for the peeps on this site everybody I know uses lures & I get invited to fish with them on a regular basis but refuse cause I like fishing my own goats

I dont mind lure fushing but could not do it all the time I like to vary my angling options else I get bored

I use 3-5kg rods for bream and flatties and have no problems catching them, I must be doing something wrong...

Catch, i think your problem and what jumps is trying to say is Get over the gear, get over what these web fishos have to say and all this you need this or that to catch a fish and so on.. Stop repeating shit you have read or heard and just say what you think from your experiences..

Mate it wasnt that long ago you were trying to tell us that the backbone of a rod is not important..

You can flick lures with any rod and catch a fish.. just depends on what you like..

Like i said, i use 2-5kg rods with 6lb/10lb on them and have no problems flicking lures for bream flathead or yella's and cod for that matter. Ive also got a few 2-4kg but do not use them as much.. Does that mean im crap or dont know what im doing? I spose so.. Cause i prefer to bait fish too.. I also find many rods dont have the correct line wieght marked on them and ya do better feeling arod for yourself and picking a line class for it.

@ least sum wun here understands the points I've been trying to get across to Googlefushy

Fushing is no different to anything else in life ewe have to KISS 1st

Keep
It
Simple
Stupid

Once you've learnt to catch Wittle Fishys, then ewe can go do wot ever ewe want & use wotever methods give ewe a



Dont think Googlefushy has any idea how much gear I actually have @ my disposal & I'm not refering to just the Viva gear, think ewe've seen those racks in that wittle room @ my oldies place Spud ??

You'll find all sorts of ods in there Berkly dropshots , Daiwa spin sticks etc etc I just dont use them cause I liked my old Brownings & now the LOX are the go

I was @ the club last wednesday night & got hammered with Q's in regards to these rods, Arther from Fish Theorpy was wunof thoseguys & now stocks them after I kindly dropped off a set to him yesterday & I tld him exactly wot I'v ben saying here.

Dont try selling the 1 -3 kg sticks to biginers give them the 2 - 5 kg stick he totally agreed with me, a few of the boys were also there when I rocked up & loved the 1-3 kg stick but these boys also knew how to flick lures around

hey jumpy ,sell him one of those wippy little rods ya bought up here that time ,,,ide have a dozen of those if i could afford them ,,,jas

They were allright if ewe wanted to sling shot lures under snags but I gave all those rods away jason

They were toys esp compared to these new LOX rods

The full range & it's a big range as well will be in the shops in April

hmmm I have read through this thread a time or two now and to me it comes down to this, how dose the rod and reel feel in your hand and dose it fulfill the claims made by its builder.
There are two rods in my rack that fit the type of fishing we are talking about in this thread, one a pacific compensate 2 to 5kg and would be classed as old fashioned and heavy by modem stander's yet this rod feels great in the hand and can be cast all day with out tiring, the reel used with this rod is a Daiwa TD-SOL 3000 and this reel coupled to the rod make for a very well balanced and powerful out fit, the other is a 003 samurai matched to a Daiwa Viento Twitchin Bar bait caster [I do not and will not recommend this reel to any one, not even a jap on Anzac day, it is a major pain in the bum to service and maintain]now were was I, oohhhh yes the rod it a ripper lots of grunt in the butt and yet able to cast weights from about 35 no up to about 90grams with out undue effort.
I have no idea if this helps or not, but it was fun to think over why i all ways seem to pick up one of these two outfits before any other, and there are others in the rack
Paul

Back on topic....
Buy what is going to make you happy quinnie and will also suit your purpose. The 2-5kg stick is a great allrounder for you and matched with a 2500 would work well on multiple species for bait or lure fishin. I would say the main reason for avoiding the 1-3kg stick is it limits the flexibility for your fishing-its great for throwing light lures and light jig heads but not suited to much else, also they being so light are easy to damage or break\. the heavier rod can easily be used for all estuary fish and on shallow reefs for kings and snapper-much better versatility 4 u!

I'v seen diawa/shimano/okuma and penn spin combos for under $200 @ my local tackle shop-do your homework, shop around and make sure you get a free spool of suitable braid/mono thrown in on the deal.

Now that we're back on the topic of rods I'll say it once again

There's very little difference between the different brands as long as ewe compare the same blanks

Daiwa , Shimano , Pflueger , Berkly etc etc all buy their rods from 2 or 3 Manufacturer's in China

Just Keep away from anything made in Taiwon those rods are Garbage

Wot Warrants the $ price tag on a rod is it's hardware guides, reel seats etc

I've never liked the Chi Nee Guides think they are rubbish, very brittle rings which break very easily that's why I was building my own rods sum time back

With these LOX rods well they have all the good fuji gear on them including the SIC guides so why bother building ??????

It's easy as storms said to go look @ some combo's to save a few $$'s but if $$'s aren't an issue then definately look @ the LOX gear it's up there with the best

They've copied rods like the nitro which retails for over $350 & the identical LOX rod retails for around $190

Now here's a bit of advice on a reel & again it's my view & wot I like in reels

I dont mind graphite [plastic bodied reels] on my 2 kg outfits but wont have them on 3 kg or bigger breaking strain lines as they tend to twist on the arm [part that sits in reel seat] not so much on small fishy's like brimski's , snapper or flathead.

But ewe get a 2 - 3 kg kungy , salmon etc etc fushy's that can go for wittle power bursts peeling line off the spool, then ewe will feel the reel twist esp if ewe grip rod like I do with 2 fingers under the reel seat.

For 3 kg & up I use the Alloy bodied reels & dont risten to anywun hu tries telling ewe these reels are to heavy & unbalance the rod

Every wun of my spin outfits are balanced velly nicely & you're prob only talking 100 - 200 grams difference between the graphite & alloy bodied reels

You fish like a girly man.

Do I now, suppose ewe think I'm a mother huh ??????

Well next time I go fushing bow about ewe tag along & hold Mothers Dick so it dont get in my way

time to go read a different thread, you two are getting far to lovey dovey and mushy for this young bloke.

Paul

righto no broke back mountain here you too ,,,ya pooptas ,,,jas

Wot ewe guys on about ???????????

Aren't ewes curious to see how good Fed's ROD work is