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[poly]

J G once again we diverge from the question the next time u see a crew going out to check the maritime signage in the bay u may just find the boats they are using are poly's and that is a fact as poly has the contract it doesnt change a thing as u have not yet answered the question i asked if it flexes will it absorb shock if it does will it give a better ride

[Jumpus GooDarus]

poly I'm not the one making the claim that the flex in a polycraft works like a shock absorber you guys are

There fore the onus is yous to convince me & others of this not the other way around & no I wont agree with what you are claiming because I'm said on numerous occasions now I'll only answer that which I'm confident that I can back.

Do you know how a shock absorber works ?????????????

If you do then you'd have to agree with me @ how bizzar that claim of your's & polycrafts really is

[Fed]

It's like herding cats Poly, you need to wear him out until he stands still then clobber him.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Cant wear me out Fed I use Duracel

Dont think poly understands what he's asking of me

I dont have magic answers & can only reply with what info I read & to me that info is to far fetched you've got polycraft claiming their boats ride like shock absorbers on cars & you expect me to agree with that ???

I Dont Think So

[poly]

no not at all my dear friend, u as a man of learning must accept it is a fact physic dont lie, if it flexes at impact it must absorb shock do u agree or not.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

I was going to leave the poly claims alone after the 1st 4 I answered

But just to show you why I think their claims are so bad I'll pick the next one out for you to ponder over

Seems to me like whoever wrote these claims has been very picky pussy footing around in this claim they are picking on glass boats

Polyethylene has been shown in independent tests to have five times the impact resistance of fiberglass. This makes Polycraft one of the strongest boats on the market providing trouble free boating for many years.

Tell me why haven't compared their boat to a Alloy boat ??????????????????

I can answer that one very easy poly's dont stand a hope in hell of stacking up to a good plate boat thats why plastic dosen't posses the tensile strength of plate

[poly]

dear friend i think i can call u that as i have never met u but my good mate SUMO tells me u are ok and those how know u tell me u are a man of learning, i must say u know how to avoid a question all i wish to know do u agree or not if it flexes at the point of impact does it absorb shock, please an answer to this most perplexing question, i do most humble await

This post has been edited by poly: Sep 7 2007, 03:21 AM

[Jumpus GooDarus]

poly how many times must I tell you I've never been in a polycraft have no idea how much they flex nor if the flex absorbs any of the shock all I've got to go by is what you tell me & I cant give you an answer.

Now if you had asked me how much a air matreess flex's in a surf I can answer that one very easily but you cant compare a polycraft to a air mattress

[Fed]

Jumpy:....

I've never been in a polycraft have no idea

Sorta says it all eh? ROTFLMAO!

Hey Poly, did you read on the website about the polys distorting when they're on a non skid trailer and how you can bring them back by sitting them on a skid trailer for a few weeks?

BTW I meant to ask, what do they corner like, lean in, lean out or sort of flat?
I'd imagine they'd lean in but not as much as a conventional V hull.

[Spudly]

I think you might find that the quietness of the poly gives you the feeling of soft ride, where the noise of an alloy boat might make you think its rough...

allboats are going to bounce, and the movment has to be transferred, generally we, stitting in the boat are the ones who feel it.

What poly is saying is that the flex in the poly absorbs some of the impact? which may be true? However, If they are so strong why do they flex? I dont think im too keen on flez or distortion?

At my work we have alot of pipe that is used for slurry transfer, the slurry is very abrasive, and alot of the pipes we use for ir are poly pipes constructed from 2" Wall diameter black poly and poly-welded together. The poly is used because it can handle the abrasion better than steel. Not sure howw this relates to our present conversation but im mega sore and hungover and wanted to feel loved! haha

[poly]

Hey Poly, did you read on the website about the polys distorting when they're on a non skid trailer and how you can bring them back by sitting them on a skid trailer for a few weeks?

no i have not read that one Fed, how ever i do know that polycraft do insist they be transported on skids.

BTW I meant to ask, what do they corner like, lean in, lean out or sort of flat?
I'd imagine they'd lean in but not as much as a conventional V hull.

as u may know the 4.1 i own is best described as a v nose punt with about 5 degrease at the transom, she sits very flat in a turn and is quite capable of dislodging a crew member :o
as u would be aware this type of hull can side slip quite a lot in a turn, this does not happen very much with the poly i am not sure why this is so it maybe the weight sitting the hull a little deeper or it could be the chines at work.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

What poly is saying is that the flex in the poly absorbs some of the impact? which may be true?

No what poly is trying to get me to admit is that the flex absorbs the shock & what I've been trying to tell him all along I cant answer that cause I dont know how much they flex

However, If they are so strong why do they flex? I dont think im too keen on flez or distortion?

Rum tinny's flex as well you may not feel it but they do just to give you a example of alloy flexing on a Jumo Jet 747 the wings will flex then down 28 feet b4 they get to the point where they will shear off.

Strength can be measured in many different ways in plate boats stength comes from the materials tensile factor & can loose some of the strength around welds reason being undercut in the weld & the heat generated can anneal the material as well.

You cant say I'm not fair in the poly boats from what I've read & seen their strength comes from being a one piece unit in other words what you see is what comes out of the mould with all it's spars bulheads etc moulded as one now that's a different type of strength to tensile strength.

As far as flex goes well you show me anything of any length made from any type of plastic that dosen't flex ?

What gets up my nose is how the poly mob claim this flex was designed intentionally to givew a softer ride & that's what I think is the biggest load of CRAP I've ever heard

[poly]

in many ways it is a good thing u have not been out in a poly J G, it would have been impossible to have had this debate as u may well have agreed with the arguments put forward, i would not try to get u to admit that poly's ride better than a boat of simile size as that would require us to test every boat on the market in that size range, what i was trying to do was get u to admit, is the fact that if something flexes at the point of impact it must there for absorb some of the shock now to carry this forward in to the boating world if a hull is flexing it is absorbing shock and i am quite sure the even your big boat will flex a little if pushed hard enough giving u a slightly better ride

[jasonb]

i think it goes more on the depth and shape of the hull,if you get a nice deep "v" hull in glass ,poly or alum .the deeper the "v" the smoother the ride ,like the difference between a flat bottom punt and a "v" nose punt or a full "v",i think they all flex to a certain extent , its like the question which comes first the chicken or the egg

This post has been edited by jasonb: Sep 8 2007, 01:24 AM

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Dont believe my big boat flex's @ all poly if it does it would be that marginal no way you notice it I say this because of the construction it has.

My earlier remarks were in regards to tinny's lighter gauge material & the flex is more apparent in the boats with no gunnels etc.

jason you are refering to deadrise !

And yes the sharper the deadrise the better the boat cuts through the water The Chop has got such a boat but like I've always said no boat is perfect & having such a sharp deadrise you sacrifice stability @ rest.

You cant have everything & when choosing a boat you have to weigh up what suits you the best.

In my case I like fishing platforms & thats why I like the Alloy boats both mine suit my needs esp the bigger boat cause I do gamefishing I like things a certain way belive my gunnel hight is spot on have fished other plate boats & have not liked them @ all.

Another thing I like about mine is that it is very stable @ anchor or drift I can 3 guys on one side handling a fish & there's no fear of boat tipping over that's a very critical point cause so many times I see hero's over crowding boats to me that can be a ccident waiting to happen.

[poly]

Another thing I like about mine is that it is very stable @ anchor or drift I can 3 guys on one side handling a fish & there's no fear of boat tipping over that's a very critical point cause so many times I see hero's over crowding boats to me that can be a ccident waiting to happen.

when possum and i first started to look into the buying a boat i sat down a drew up a list of must haves

stability at rest and beyonce were on top of that list.

it is my under standing that the punt styled craft would be the best type for the intended use (IE) fishing enclosed waters beyonce was just as high on the list and was a question put to all dealers on one occasion a dealer told me u could not sink an alloy boat and therefore no need for extra flotation needless to say he did not get my business.
as u all know i tend to push hard when some one knocks polys however they are not perfect and as i see it there are two main short comings with them the hydrodynamics are not as efficient as glass or alloy the other grumble i have is the lack of storage space if polycraft wish to increase market share they will also have to improve the finish on there craft, with boats now being imported from the U. S. and NEW ZEALAND will quickly take over the market, if u are in thinking about a new boat take a long hard look at them as they will give good service for years to come maintainers is very low and there is nothing to rot or corrode

[STEVE.P]

just dont leave it in the sun too long it might melt

[poly]

from any one else i would have shot them down steve :2guns: :2guns: :2guns:

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Think I'd have to say Shark Cats are prob the most stable platform that I've fished out off but like I said earlier for every good point a boat has there's always a counter bad point.

With the cats you have to reach alot further down to reach the water even though gunnel hight inside the boat is relatively low cats handle well going into a sea but aren't that crash hot in a following sea.

I'm not a fan of the Alloy cats & think the glass ones handle better I've given a few Alloy cats a run coming home out @ open sea & left them for dead there could be a couple of reasons for this but most likely one is confidence behind the contols between me & the other skippers, like I said I drive mine hard & when MC Hammers are put down You cant touch this du du du.

poly that dealer was prob refering to a alloy boat having flotation underthe seats to keep it afloat even if it tipped over BUT it was a BLOODY STUPID & UNTRUE REMARK flotation gets water logged thats why on my big boat I pulled it all out & glassed it to make it waterproof b4 putting it all back in & you have to remember that boat has got a wet deck [sealed floor] so even if I hit something with the hull & it split the amount of water that could enter the hull would be limited to empty space available & there's not much empty space down there so yes that boat would be virtually unsinkable.

But I dont think you looked @ that type of boat when that dealer told you Alloy boats are unsinkable

[Fed]

Cats can be downright dangerous in a following sea if they're setup badly or the driver is inexperienced.