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[TomMc]

Hey
As some of you know i quit KFC after finding employment for another mob mowing there lawns around there office and house.
I have been working there for around 3 weeks+ and i havent been paid yet...
ive done everything right including givng them my banking information, they havent asked me to sign anything yet so im sure this means i am not i there books, covered by insurance and i probabley wont get casual loading.
When i first started i warned them about how i may have to take 2-3 saturdays off a month and they wherefine with that but now its a diffrent story and the boss said if you cant work saturdays im fired...
It gets a bit more dodgey here, there is a set of twins who started the same week as me who where told to leave there time sheets(sheets which get signed when you start and finish)at the office, so they left them there and the sheets where misplaced...
Does anyone have any advice for me?
cheers

[jasonb]

mate ring the boss and ask him straight ,,,,,

[Jumpus GooDarus]

THat sucks Tom

I'll give you the same advice I used to give to alot of my subbies who were owed by dodgy builders.


Stop working for them untill you get paid.

In your case because you're a minor I would take an adult with you [MALE ADULT] & go confront the boss.

You'll find the boss will be singing a different tune if an Adult is there.

Bugger the job mate you dont want to be working for a person who dosen't pay you on a weekly basis.

With all the juniors this bloke is employing sounds like he's up to no good & looking to wrought

Try that 1st if no luck post again & I'll put you onto the right authorities &let them deal with him.

[Bees Knees]

Tom, i have employed a lot of people with our business. We have always kept it honest with our lads. They have never missed a days pay.

Mate if the situation hasn't improved in a day or so and you cant get sound advice from family and friends. PM me and i can help you a little.

Not tonight though, i have to blow a few candles out.....

[TomMc]

Thanks for the advice...
at this point in time i will be asking him questions tomorrow if hes there, if i dont get suitable answers i guess i have no choice but to leave?
Also another question, he has a 1st year and i think a 2nd year apprentice there but there is rarely anyone who is fully qualified there working with them? and most after noons when i go after school its only those two there no one else... is this allowed?
Thanks again!

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Unless the laws have changed which I doubt.

Remember I've been retired for 7 years so not that up to date.

But an apprentice must be supervised @ all times & having a 2nd year surpervising a 1st year visa versa dose not count.

An apprentice as boring as it may be for the 1st couple of years is there to learn not be used as cheap labour & you cant learn unless there's a qualified tradesperson overseeing what you are doing.

Your boss will be getting an allowance of the government to train those apprentices & by the sounds of it all they are is cheap labour.

[It'l Do]

Tom,

Some good advice has been given.

1) ALWAYS keep you own records if you cannot photocopy your time sheet.

2) You need to see the boss (with an adult or 2 present), in private, and get paid for all the work you have done. Once paid you can make a decision if you continue to work for him.

3) If you want to continue to work there insist on written agreement (contract) of the hours you will work, when you get paid, hourly rate of pay, days you cannot work etc. Without it in writing, even a simple e-mail, you do not have a leg to stand on.

4) If you get no satisfaction with the boss and you believe you will get no repercussions ( I mean physical) go and tell the people you cut lawns for that you enjoyed cutting their lawns but unfortunately you cannot do it anymore as the boss is not paying his employees. Don't loose your cool, explain that the bank manager doesn't want sob stories he wants repayments. Thank them for the opportunity and wish them the best.

5) Have your parents report him to Workcover, Dept of Labor or any Government department that will listen. It sounds like he is not paying workcover and they usually act very fast. It probably will not help you get paid but it should make him think twice before taking advantage of junior employees.


Post up how you go.

[Spudly]

Hey Tom, If i recal your dad has a funky uniform that he should probably wear when ya go visit ya boss to sort it out...

Dont stand for it mate.. Plenty of people out there are more than willing to give young people a go.. Find somone who will look after you..

Personally, id get more outta making him suffer...

Had a rethink and deleted all my ideas for ya... probably bettter off not giving you any stupid ideas that are likly to get you in trouble..

This post has been edited by Rum Dust N Ruckus: Feb 27 2008, 07:16 AM

[Bees Knees]

Hi Tom, how did you get on with your boss???

[TomMc]

I got to work and went straight up to him and questioned why i hadnt been paid, he said it wasnt hes fault and hed tell hes daughter, he then went on to say he was to busy to talk and just told me what to do...
i went to work and just did my duties laid out for me...

[Bees Knees]

I got to work and went straight up to him and questioned why i hadnt been paid, he said it wasnt hes fault and hed tell hes daughter, he then went on to say he was to busy to talk and just told me what to do...
i went to work and just did my duties laid out for me...

Tom, you are getting fleeced. Is his daughter the pays clerk? There is no excuse for it.. Did you talk to your dad?

[jasonb]

well youll just have to see what happens now ,,if your not paid by monday ask him again

[Jumpus GooDarus]

No good asking him again jason & waiting.

Tomyou like many others in your situation are @ fault.

Reason being you let people like your boss get away with it.

Told you in my initial post not to attend any more duties untill such times as you've been paid else you'll get dragged in further.

Dont be scared of your boss there's plenty of jobs out there, carry on with this guy & he'll allways be owing you wages & thats not a good way to go about life nor is it to let people take advantage of you.

I'd rate you a fool if you kept on working there B4 your pay situation was resolved

[TomMc]

Yes BK hes daughter is the pay clerk.
Jason if i havent been paid by monday im tellin him where to stick hes job...
Jump my next shift is monday but ill be checking me bank account before leaving if he hasnt paid im ringing up and quitting...
If got another option here...
Sell me boat for more then what i paid and keep that money in the bank until augest where i buy a car... I can keep doing od jobs for diffrent people and hope i get enough...

[jasonb]

maybe ya should go back to kfc and ask for ya old job back

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Jump my next shift is monday but ill be checking me bank account before leaving if he hasnt paid im ringing up and quitting...

No dont do that let him fire you if he wish's to do so but dont quit.

You get better leverage that way

I still think you should confront the boss with an Adult present & dont believe that crap about his daughter being the pay master.

He's the boss & it's responsibility to ensure wages are being paid

Sounds like his bank balance isn't to healthy or he's a total nob either way not a good person to be working for.

[Sir Reel]

Sorry to here that Tom. There are some not so nice people out there. Don't let him get away with it. Ring the Department of industrial relations and employment. They will give you the right advise. When you and your Boss agreed to you having those Saturdays off, did you both sign a work place agrement ?( As this could help you.) Or was there a witness to this.

click here for dept. industrial relations & employment

Dont be scared to tell your boss you have spoken with Department of industrial relations and employment. and they said.... Also take a older person with you for suport. If it was me (and it has happened to me) I would be going in saying that if I wasnt payed I will not work, however be mindfull he may say there is the door, in that case your better off not working for them. If he cant pay you until pay day ask him for a advancement to help you get through.

Hope this helps?

This post has been edited by Sir Reel: Feb 27 2008, 11:42 PM

[jasonb]

why dont ya ring his daughter and ask her

[TomMc]

ok im gettin confused here...
lots of diffrent ideas floatin about...
I still think ill leave no matter what...
Jump gettin fired looks worse then quitting...
im confused!

[Bees Knees]

ok im gettin confused here...
lots of diffrent ideas floatin about...
I still think ill leave no matter what...
Jump gettin fired looks worse then quitting...
im confused!

Dont be confused... If he fires you, he needs grounds for dismissal to do it and he has to pay you what he owes you.
If you quit, you are walking away from any of your entitlements and it will be harder to get your dough


I just re-read your comment about quitting and understand now.
Sometimes the old sayings about being a quitter are not relevent mate. Nobody should be stood over or taken advantage of. But if you walk you will put the ball back in his own court

This post has been edited by Bees Knees: Feb 28 2008, 12:29 AM