Improving Knots Options

[jack]

Hi Guys,

I have seen advise to melt the tag of an improved albright or use a drop of superglue to improve knots.

What is the effect of superglue on a fishing line though? In all fairness it sounds like one solid plan to improve a knot

Jack

[Spudly]

Stops slippage!!

[Sir Reel]

When joining line together ie leader and main. glue helps the knot slide through the guides.

This post has been edited by Sir Reel: Mar 23 2008, 01:56 AM

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Personally I dont think superglue is needed is you tie a decent knot

Not sure what ingredients are used in superglue but if there's any hint of acytone etc cant see it being to crash hot for the mono

[Sir Reel]

I can't say I use glue myself but in those bream dvd's the pros use about 6mtrs of leader and they have problems casting when the knot gets stuck on a guide. They use the glue to make knots run smooth through the guides.

[Spudly]

I can't say I use glue myself but in those bream dvd's the pros use about 6mtrs of leader and they have problems casting when the knot gets stuck on a guide. They use the glue to make knots run smooth through the guides.

I hadnt heard that, but i havnt watched any of them DVD's or shows...

I have heard of it being used on the bimni twist to stop it slipping.. But have not used them enough myself to really know, but I do have faith in jumps call that if he dont see the need for it, i recon hes prolly done enough to know.. Maybe for less experianced knot tiers it could help...

[It'l Do]

I have never used glue but agree with Jumpy, not sure superglue would be a good thing on mono.

I had a look at http://www.animatedknots.com/albright/inde...imatedknots.com

Advantages: The Albright is relatively smooth and passes through guides when required. Some anglers coat the knot with a rubber based cement to make it even smoother and more secure.

That makes more sense to use a rubber based glue. Guess it depends on the type of line.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Sir Reel I dont watch those DVD's either

After reading what you said & having a think about it 6 meters of leader ??????????????

That's virtually 3 times the rod length & not convinced it's the guides that the knot is getting caught up in but moreso the leader getting caught up on the knot after casting when it's despooling.

That's just my view as I dont use 6 meter leaders but I have seen peeps use dacron + glue on game gear when tieing a platt again I've never had the need.

My thing is to weave the platt tightly & you wont have any probs.

One thing that I do though is & thats burn the end of the mono [ as its where it'll catch] with a cigarette then smooth out the end back onto itself.

[Sir Reel]

1mtr of leader is enofgh for me. They were hunting those spooky ghost bream that hide when you cast anything at them

[Spudly]

I try and use a rod length, for ne reason other than it will give enough to protect against structure and ya have enough there if you get some damage to shorten it a few times..

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Yeah John I use a bit more than that on the spin rods

I have about 50 cm's dangling from rod tip then the leader does about one wrap around the spool.

That ensures the knot dosen't catch on itself.

On the bait rods generally around 60 cm's

[It'l Do]

A little off topis but I use a rods length leader for the same reason as Rummy.

When the toothy fishy start biting just cut off the hook and switch to a long shank.

[MartinF]

if you use a tapered knot, like the slim beauty for instance, you should have no problems with it catching in the guides as there's nothing for it to get stuck on (both tags point back at the main line, apart from it being a pretty slim knot (such a clever little name hey).

I've been doing some tests here with 6lb spiderwire braid and 15lb mono, to get some practice with knot tying as well as some personal experience with knot strenght and I've found no reason for any reinforcement, it's never that knot that breaks.

I double the braid with a spider hitch or a bimini twist so it doesn't slip as easily and then connect that to the mono with a slim beauty and I've yet to have that knot fail, it usually breaks in the main line just above where you tied the double, as it should in this case since that's the weakest point.

Have tried the same with double uni but I still get some slipped knots and breakage. Not always, sometimes it sticks properly but sometimes even when it looks to be a tidy knot, it will slip after putting pressure on it for a prolonged time.

Of course this is all laboratory setting (ie my desk) but I know what I'm going to use.