Bloody Boat Motors Options

[poly]

i must agree to a point JASON, but if we all wait for the good name to build up they will never sell a motor and will never gain a good name :o :o :o

[jasonb]

yeah true ,,,you buy one then tell me what its like ,,,haahahahha,,,mate i cant afford to buy one and then it die in 2 years and then have too go and buy another motor ,gotta member im not rich so im a tight arse hahaahaahaha,,just had a lookie on ebay at the parsun and i dont like them ,plus all the things ive heard about all this chinese stuff makes me worry so ill just have to wait til ron i spose ,,

This post has been edited by jasonb: Feb 20 2008, 11:53 PM

[SUMOFISHIN]

Here is some refoilcats
Stephen Join Date: Mar 2007
Rep: 10 Posts: 16
Location: Auckland

Sail Outboard motor Review

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I have seen and used some sail outboards 15hp and 40hp and have giving them a good trial, they seem to go well and also know the maunfacture and have visited them and continuosly follow the progress of the sail outboards and can get them for people if they want,
From our experience with using them and exploring them the quality is good and would compare it to a Tohatsu in earlier days,
The main let down I could see they had cheapened the Pull start sytem which needs improvement, also some of the plastics in fuel sytem are not so great,
As far as the tank and hoses goes its the same fittings, theres no electric start or tilts which is a hassle, and no electric starts at all yet that we are aware of,
Mercury make alot of there motors in China so these may becoming availble shortly,
With the right to the yamaha design it is old yamaha motors that they have replicated but not 100% they may have started with old molds for casting or they have replicated them and the factorie has no problems from yamaha we are aware of and the factorie also says they have every right to sell this technology.

There also has not been any contact from yamaha to any of the resellers that we are aware of,

I would welcome any news about this subject, especially for the parsun outboards and sail outboard, if you want more information on the sail outboards or Parsun outboards or the Star diesel outboards, see www.sailoutbaords.co.nz or www.outboards.cn which has all the petrol and diesel outboards currently available from China.

As far as we know from a Chinese Associate the parsun outboards are better quality and I have seen them to touch but havnt tested them yet,
The Parsun outboards Manufacture is a off shoot of the Sail outboards as the management had a split early in the piece,

The Parsun 4 strokes outbaords which are available in sizes from 2.5hp up to 15hp, There is a 25hp 4 stroke also becoming availble in June,

the Outboards are tank tested for 500hrs before they are released for sale,

I have some 40hp and 15hp sail outboard samples to test and view in Auckland. call 64 (0)21 2022193 ask for Stephen
views.




Drive Manufacturer Who Actually Builds the Drives
Bombardier/OMC
Johnson and Evinrude Under both builders, from the powerhead down, the major differences in Johnson and Evinrude are the cowls and paint color.
Until 2006, Suzuki manufactured the Johnson four strokes up to 225 HP.

For 2006 Suzuki only makes the Johnson four strokes up through 30 HP, Evinrude produces direct injected two strokes (E-Tec) 40 HP and above.

Nissan Nissan outboards are built by Tohatsu
Honda Long ago, some Honda three cylinder powerheads were mounted on Mercury drive legs and props. For the last several years, Honda has built its full line of outboards.
Mercury Marine 2006 model Mercury four strokes from 2.5 through 30 HP are built by Tohatsu.
Before Yamaha entered the U.S. market, Mercury's Mariner line was built by Yamaha.

Last year (2005), Mercury four stroke powerheads from 25 through 225 HP (except the Verados) were built by Yamaha. Several of those models used Mercury drive legs, electronics and EFI systems (replacing carbs Yamaha used in similar sized engines).

In 2006 models, Mercury four stroke powerheads from 40 to 225 HP (except the Verados) are built by Yamaha.

Mercury's agreement with Yamaha ended in March 2006, at which time Mercury is expected to phase in more four cylinders (75 to 115 HP) based on the Verado engine block, but without supercharging or intercooling.

[jasonb]

mate thats a good read but as i said ill have too wait until i can afford to get a name brand one ,,,,,,,thanx mate ,,they sound good but i cant afford to buy something that might die just after the warranty runs out ,,,,at least with the main brands all the things ive heard are good with the warrenty even after it officially runs out ,plus osprey and sail prolly dont have a 3 year warrenty ,,,,

[jasonb]

i know what ,,,,,youse buy 1 give it too me if yas reckon there that good ,,hows that lololol,,,,,,i know what the answer will be too

[quintrex101]

Suzuki give a 5 year warranty with there outboads so you could buy one that 3 years old and still got 2 years wattanty left

[jasonb]

yeah mate exactly ,thats what i mean about the name brands ,they give alot better warrenty ,,

not to sound like an arsehole or anything but how many of you guys have the motors on your boats right now ? and why not lololol

This post has been edited by jasonb: Feb 22 2008, 11:05 PM

[It'l Do]

Suzuki give a 5 year warranty with there outboads so you could buy one that 3 years old and still got 2 years wattanty left

Are the warranties transferable?
I have a suspicion they are not.

Agree with buying a name brand though, as you have proven spare parts are expensive and who knows if you will be able to get parts for a new comer in a few years.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Steer clear from the non proven brands.

Wait till you've got the money to buy the real thing, nothing like owning new then it's up to you as to how well you treat it & lasts.

I never bother reading reviews main reason being I'd most likely get cranky reading what was written & of course the good reviews will say El Cheapo motors are good they're trying to sell you one.

Buying a motor is not the same as say buying a fishing reel big deal reel craps itself then you're out of pocket a few hundred $$'s @ worst case senario.


ps] If I were you I'd get myself a pair of 6 hp oars till you're ready for the motor

[jasonb]

exactly jumpy ,i agree 100%,they tell you what you want too here ,and suck you in ,,,,thats y ya never here anything good about them,,,,and how many boat shops do you see these engines in for sale brand new ,,,,,

This post has been edited by jasonb: Feb 23 2008, 03:47 AM

[Jumpus GooDarus]

I was reading SUMO's comments early in the thread where one of the motors suggested cant recall which one.

Anyways motor can take geniune Yamaha parts.

Here's something for you to think about.

If the El Cheapo motor keeps breaking down down the track after the warrantee has expired.

If it's a problem motor then what you'll pay for the Yamaha geniune parts ???? outweighs any initial savings that you may have had , not to mention the frustration.

Take my word for it the quality of original parts would be poor so they will break down.

That merc lasted 30 years B4 it shat itself somehow dont think those cheapies will go anywhere new that.

[jasonb]

thats it mate true ,if i could find another prop shaft i would use it ,but then i havent looked real hard ,because the motor as you said is at least 30 years old so its time to upgrade ,,soon ,,,

[quintrex101]

jump it is still working he just too tight to replace the prop shaft : just joking i would not pay that too

[jasonb]

ahahahahh you can have it for your new boat sc if you want ,,,,

[Jumpus GooDarus]

jump it is still working he just too tight to replace the prop shaft : just joking i would not pay that too

Daniel you wouldn't bother & best off just getting a new gearbox [2nd hand of course] if the prop is sliping then there's a good chance the gears are on the ratchet side.

Anyways good news my back has come GooDarus but I'm burning up with a fever so I'm off to bed C Ya's Ron

[quintrex101]

must have been some of that take away food you eat when your back was bugger and you could not get to the frigde

[poly]

Hmmmmmmmm well it was just a thought that i had regarding the motor, as i said, i new nothing about them and it has made for some good reading so far, lets take J.G. example of the reel, at this moment the site is running a comp to win a reel from viva Chinese made i would think, now there is no way that j.g. would put up crap for the members to try for so it stands to reason that the quality control in the factory were they are made is very good, the so called name brands have there reel made in Chinese factory's, there is also large numbers of car parts coming out of China now as well, so why is it that they could not have a reasonable outboard made there.

Hmmmm well just thinking out loud, we must all get what will suit us best, and jas if u got 30 years out of the old merc i would be looking at getting an other one.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

poly virtually all the reels on the market today are made in China dosen't matter what brand they are.

I put up one of the better models as the prize but let me tell you geez there are some crap about as well, I threw out box's of those.

Some had very poor alloy in the gear casting & they would snap even though they were new.

What you have to remember these manufacturer's no matter who they are cater for a wide scope of the market & the biggest portion of the market is for those who dont want to spent the $$'s & prefer to buy cheap.

Same goes with these cheap chinese motors even though wages are around $200 per month in china these guys would be shimming on the quality control aspect of these El Cheapo outboards & the difference is you'd be out on the water if & when they broke down & thats not a pleasant thought.

Esp in jason's case with 3 young daughters to worry about.

Let me ask you a Q poly ????

Why didn't you buy one instead of the Yammy ????????????????

[poly]

to be honest j g i had never herd of them, but if i had i would have taken a look that doesn't mean i would have bought one though unless they met my needs

[jasonb]

righto ,ive got the shits now ,,,,,,im sick of lookin ,,,,,nothin around tamworth to inverell to gunnedah to muswelbrook ,,,,all on ebay are pickup plus im worried about buying one off there cause i dont know if its stuffed or not ,,,,so im lookin at stripping down me old hanimex ,gettin it bored out and get a new piston and rings ,,,,,