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[Fed]

What's your painting process bees?
From when you get it off Jumpy's angle grinder to the finished product?

[Fed]

Why glass KK, it's only a tinny.
Just a hint, whenever I grease my motor I fill up the domed nut that holds the steering cable onto the motor then when I do it back up it forces grease through the tilt tube so I get a contsant stream of fresh grease going through it.
Do it with the steering retracted on left lock so you can't get any hydraulic lock up happening.
It's strange I've never see anyone ever suggesting that in all the seized steering threads I've seen.

[Bees Knees]

You've had the goat that long now I'd 4gotten wot it looked like

The last goaty is nearly @ the stage you're @

Tis a different goat once again from yours

Well, I'll take yours then!!

[storms72]

Is that gatorade in the bottle JG, looks like someone got a bit caught up doing boaty bits and had to use the verry small plastic potty

[salty fil]

Had a chat with Bees and he really is a smart bugger.
Got to give it to him...
He told me hes not even bothering to get the materials to finish JG s boat.
He has his boat ready, thats enough.......

[Bees Knees]

Had a chat with Bees and he really is a smart bugger.
Got to give it to him...
He told me hes not even bothering to get the materials to finish JG s boat.
He has his boat ready, thats enough.......

I thought i was on top of my game salty, but he now has the metal.. And im flat out at work... I'm in trouble

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Is that gatorade in the bottle JG,

Nope it's Powerade

Who's got the Power ??????????????????????

Jumpus Has

I lose alot of body salts working in the heat & start to cramp up in the hands thus the Powerade

A couple more weeks of the stuff & I'll be entering the Hawaian Alloyman competition

Had a chat with Bees and he really is a smart bugger.

Why R U telling Porky's

I rang Mr Bees 2day & Jo answered the his phone

I asked where was the WATTO man ????

She told me he was out having a FAG

So I had to ask as wun does, was Kinky there ??????????

She didn't get the Joke

[Bees Knees]

True story...

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Did ewe tell her wot I was on about ??????

[Bees Knees]

No... She will work it out..

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Nya Nya Nya

Told ewes Jumpus will have his goat painted B4 Bees

I dont tell Porky's much

Start painting in the morn

More nya nya nya

[Fed]

Hey Jumpy what's the deal with blaming the Revesby ramp for the boat no sliding off, that ramp is as good as they get.
I'd hate to see you on a flat ramp, I thought you said skid trailers slide off as good as roller trailers, have I got news for you. THEY DON'T!
Mine rolls off on that ramp by itself, don't even need to push it by hand.

Trailer brakes? Has anyone weighed one of these rigs yet, it's black & white, there is no grey area on a new trailer.

Did you build any condensation into the fuel tanks for these boats?
BTW, I liked your little breather covers but I still have enough pressure to piss uphill. HaHaHaHa!

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Hey Jumpy what's the deal with blaming the Revesby ramp for the boat no sliding off, that ramp is as good as they get.
I'd hate to see you on a flat ramp, I thought you said skid trailers slide off as good as roller trailers, have I got news for you. THEY DON'T!
Mine rolls off on that ramp by itself, don't even need to push it by hand.

That would be right

I read sum where that the Revesby ramp was designed for Hillbillys & their boats , that's why ewe like it

Wun hand pushing the boat off the other attending to your

@ your age having the boat roll off by itself allows for tu hands on the cause nobody can get that sirri using wun


Jokes over !

It's a bit hard [not your ] for a boat to leave the trailer when there's no water under the hull & yes that ramp is very flat compared with the wuns in the Bay

Trailer brakes? Has anyone weighed one of these rigs yet, it's black & white, there is no grey area on a new trailer.

1st rule for brakes

Only required if trailer goes over a certain weight, these being alloy they weigh SFA thus brakes not required for the trailer itself

[nimrod]

1st rule for brakes

Only required if trailer goes over a certain weight, these being alloy they weigh SFA thus brakes not required for the trailer itself
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For those who may not be aware of the regulations of brakes on a trailer.
If a trailer itself ( unladen ) weights more then 150 kilo it is required that it has override brakes fitted.
If a trailer + it's gross weight exceeds 750 kilo then that trailer requires override brakes.

So I would suggest anyone with a boat near 5 metres or over to load it up with the usual equipement they normally have in the boat when they use it ( tow it ) including fuel grog and anything else they have in the boat when towing it, and take it to a weighbridge. If it's over 750kg it needs brakes.

The RTA are ramdomly going to boat ramps throughout NSW with portable scales and weighing trailers as they enter the ramp area.
If your boat/trailer/equipement weights over 750kg's you are then required to have your boat/trailer towed back home OR a place where brakes can be fitted to the trailer. YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TOW THE TRAILER YOURSELF, you have to have it professionally towed by a registered tow truck. You can arrange your own tow OR the RTA will arrange a tow and bill you for it.
For those who don't believe me, and have a boat weighing over 750kg's gross all up weight on trailer I just hope you keep getting away with it.
For those who want to stay within the laws and don't want to take the risk of a very expensive tow from a ramp, I suggest you weight your outfit.

I don't mean this to be interpreted as any kind of critisism to Jumpys post, just would prefer the members here to be aware of the true facts.

[Fed]

I've got a funny feeling the unladen weight limit is 250Kg but if you've checked it recently Frank then I'll stand corrected.
Also the 750Kg cut off does NOT include the downward weight on the towball so anyone getting their boat/trailer rig weighed should do it while still connected to the car.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

For those who may not be aware of the regulations of brakes on a trailer.
If a trailer itself ( unladen ) weights more then 150 kilo it is required that it has override brakes fitted.
If a trailer + it's gross weight exceeds 750 kilo then that trailer requires override brakes.

I actually went down to the RTA in botany & had a word with wun of the inspectors rather than speak to a clueless desk jocky.
Also bear in mind I spent a few $$'s setting my tow vehical up to tow [irrelevant as far as RTA goes but I have peace of mind]

THE LAW

In December 1998 an agreement was reached by all State Ministers of Transport to implement national towing regulations throughout Australia. The uniform law states all trailers with an Aggregate Trailer Mass (including the load) over 750 kg must be fitted with brakes to comply with the national road regulations.

According to the Australian Design Rules, all trailers over 750kgs GTM, irrespective of the towing capacity or unladen mass of the tow vehicle, must have an effective brake system fitted. All brakes must be operable from the drivers seat of the tow vehicle except for over-ride brakes.

The minimum braking system required for a trailer or caravan depends on its type and weight, as well as the weight of the tow vehicle.....

• Up to 750kgs GTM: No brakes are required.

• 751 to 2,000kgs GTM: There must be a braking system on the wheels of at least one axle and over-ride brakes are permitted. However, for caravans exceeding 1000kgs, independent brakes (electric brakes are the most common
form) are strongly recommended.

• Over 2,000kgs GTM: A brake system operating on all wheels is required. The system must be capable of automatically activating should the trailer become detached from the tow vehicle. Under these circumstances the brakes must remain applied for at least 15 minutes. These 'break away' systems are compulsory on all trailers over 2,000kgs GTM.




WHAT IS AN ELECTRIC BRAKE CONTROLLER

An electric trailer brake controller is a device that supplies power from a vehicle to a trailers electric brakes when the vehicles brakes are applied. Any trailer with electric brakes needs a brake controller to activate the operation of the brakes.



HOW IT WORKS

Power is fed from the vehicles stoplights into the controller, activating the trailers brakes via a separate heavy duty circuit fed through the trailers connecting plug and socket. This allows the trailers brakes to come on automatically when you apply the vehicles brakes, at a rate set by the controller. When the controller is adjusted correctly, the driver will be able to slow the tow vehicle and trailer combination just as smoothly as if the tow vehicle was by itself.

It is important the wiring is heavy enough for the power to run through to the trailer with a good earth return, not just earthed to the body. Of course proper maintenance of the brakes with regular adjustment of the shoes & care of the magnets goes without saying.



WHERE DOES IT GO

Most electric brake controllers are of a slimline contoured design allowing under dash placement easily within the drivers reach. From the drivers seat you can control the rate of brake application from soft to aggressive my simply moving the control forward or backward. Most controllers also have a manual over-ride device which allows the user to apply the trailers brakes independently of the vehicles brakes.



TYPES OF CONTROLLERS

There are two types of electric brake controllers - motion sensing or pendulum style and time delay activated or solid state. Although the controllers methods are different, both types of controllers are very similar. Both allow the user to adjust output or braking power & both have a pressure sensitive manual over-ride trigger that can be used to apply the trailer brakes independent of the vehicles brakes & as well as having the same wiring configuration.

MOTION SENSING or pendulum style controllers are enabled by the brake pedal switch and activated by a pendulum circuit that senses the vehicles stopping motion and applies a proportional voltage to the trailers brakes. When properly adjusted the trailer will decelerate at the same speed as the tow vehicle. This increases braking efficiency and reduces brake wear. A big advantage of the pendulum style controller that it will operate well under adverse braking conditions and have a smooth braking action. Although most pendulum style controllers are bulky, more expensive and must be mounted and calibrated level, there are exceptions such as the new generation controllers like Tekonsha Prodigy.

TIME DELAY controllers operate the trailers brakes at a pre-determined braking rate. These controllers are designed to activate the brakes at a set delay from when the stoplights are activated. In some instances the rate of brake application is no different for a gradual stop to that of an attempted emergency stop. It is important to note that while time delay controllers provide some braking, it does not provide the most efficient balanced braking for the combination of car and trailer. Time delayed controllers are inexpensive, have a low profile, and can be mounted on any angle.

[nimrod]

I've got a funny feeling the unladen weight limit is 250Kg but if you've checked it recently Frank then I'll stand corrected.
Also the 750Kg cut off does NOT include the downward weight on the towball so anyone getting their boat/trailer rig weighed should do it while still connected to the car.

Fed. You will find that I am right, the weight is 150kg's.
This is for a boat trailer which our members would be concerned with. Caravans and plant trailers and a few other type trailers have different regulations, which I won't go into here.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Cant see how ewe can be correct Frank ????????

Irrellevant whether it's a boat or box trailer 150 kgs is Seirra Foxtrot Alpha

By adding mech brakes to a 150 kg trailer you've just increased it's weight by 25 %

I know this cause I just went through it

In other words wot ewe are saying is that even box trailers are illigal & need brakes cause ewe put wun of those on a weighbridge it'll go over the 150 kg mark

[nimrod]

Cant see how ewe can be correct Frank ????????

Irrellevant whether it's a boat or box trailer 150 kgs is Seirra Foxtrot Alpha

By adding mech brakes to a 150 kg trailer you've just increased it's weight by 25 %

I know this cause I just went through it

In other words wot ewe are saying is that even box trailers are illigal & need brakes cause ewe put wun of those on a weighbridge it'll go over the 150 kg mark

Not looking for logic jumpy as we are dealing with a government department, simply stating what the regulations say in black and white.
There is always the possibility that they have made a mistake in the printing of documents and on their web site.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Not looking for logic jumpy as we are dealing with a government department,

Agree with ewe there frank !

Bunch of morons as far as I'm concwerned that's why I went & spoke to wun of the inspectors instead of a dingaling on the ph.

Bees can verify I lost it @ the RTA when we went to register his trailer cause they couldn't access their data base Bees had to pay $15 to get a permit to drive his trailer home cause they were to stupid to accept all the paperwork & his money & mail him his rego.

I had to walk out B4 I really lost it, silly woman instead of apologising for the inconvience insisted it was not their fault couldn't get it through her thick head twas their data base not ours that was out of action & it's their responsibility not ours, her supervisor was no better & just as stupid so I walked out & let Bees sort it out

I even had a disagreement @ the weighbridge today & got the guy to re-weigh the trailer cause it went 45 kg hevier than the other 2 & I know I used around 10 kg less alloy on this wun.