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Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 12 2010, 07:37 PM
Im looking at getting a downrigger or 2 and dont know much about them, so i need your help.
I fish saltwater mainly for Snapper and trawl for kings in the summer months, with the odd trip out to the shelf for Tuna.
I can afford to get 1 top of the range downrigger which i can connect threw cannon link to my hummingbird fishfinder. This would alow me to control the depth at the helm and be viewed on the fishfinder.
option 2 Get a standard electric version for about half that.
option 3 Get one or even two manual downriggers. (do you get tangles when running two downriggers?)
What would you do and why?
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 13 2010, 01:45 AM
Wouldn't waste my Drakma on those no need for them, sounder will show true depth & linking link will deviate drastically depending on weight of bomb with speed you're trolloping faster ewe trollop higher bomb will rise to the surface giving an inaccurate read.
Electric are far better esp if out on your own all it takes is a push of the button
Nope just stay with the wun
I do have a pair of Scotty2Hotty's but very rare ever use both wun is more than enough ewe wont get tangles & realistically ewe really only want wun girly fush on @ a time.
Make sure rigger ewe get has a swivel base & dont do wot so many do & go oversize on bombs
7lb is more than enough in swallow water down to 20 meters anything deeper go up to the 10 lb'r
Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 13 2010, 02:13 AM
Thanks Jumpy
i have narrowed it down to 2 models if going for a manual down rigger
this one
downrigger is made of marine grade alloy and stainless steel, then anodized with a silver and black finish. No plastic anywhere, excepting the Nylon® boom rollers. Here’s some pictures of both the manual and electric versions, you can see it in operation here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLRlRUNgUfU
and here, off Sydney:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb_BonViTm4
And here's some of its important features:
A 950mm one piece boom, one of the longest in the business. This helps to keep your cable and weight well clear of the prop and transom. The boom tilts and locks into the vertical position, meaning you don't have to reach out over the water- which can be risky- to attach the line from your reel. The tilt and lock also helps when maneuvering around wharves, or similar;
A boom head, which swivels around the top of the boom arm.
This is a really good feature. The boom head on our downrigger swivels on greased needle rollers to track the weight and cable. This means the cable doesn’t ride up the side of the boom head rollers when the boat makes a sudden turn;
A detachable, resettable depth counter. This unit reads down to 1000 feet and resets at the touch of a button.
THIS counter can be quickly removed from your downrigger and mounted on a jig rod (no tools required.) If you’re using expensive knife jigs over a reef or wreck, where you know the depth of the structure from your depth sounder, you can sink the sinking jig a few feet short of the snag by keeping an eye on the counter readout. We’ve found this technique is a real money saver. (The counter is available separately for $20, inc P&P.)
AN aluminium rod holder, attached to the rear of the downrigger. The holder is adjustable for angle with a screwdriver, and has a cross pin for securing mounting of rods fitted with a gimbal slot base;
TWO hundred feet of 200-pound Dyneema braid. Braid is narrower than steel cable and doesn’t hum, in the water. More braid or cable can be added if you plan to fish deeper water.
A Du-bro Shock Kit, on the end of the braid. These kits feature a compressible spring, which means if you wind your weight up quickly (as often happens, after a strike) the Shock Kit will protect against your weight banging into the end of the boom;
A long shaft gimbal mount is attached to your downrigger’s base. It fits straight into your boat’s rod holder:
The base is made from solid aluminium, not tube, and is very strong. Note that rodholder fitted downriggers should not be fitted into plastic rodholders. Use a strong aluminium or stainless steel rodholder, available at any marine shop. An alternative option is our detachable tongue and groove base mounting kit:
Price of the manual downrigger complete (as described above) is $425, including delivery. Price of the electric version is $695. That one has a powerful electric motor fitted that pulls up 20-pound plus weights easily. Ours has a circuit breaker rather than glass fuses (like the Scottys) for overload protection. Let me know what else you need to know? If you want to let me know your mailing address I’ll send you a free DVD showing it in operation. Thanks for your inquiry,
Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 13 2010, 02:17 AM
Or this one
They are built to take a 7 - 8lbs bomb max reccomendation the booms are 750mm long and the spool can take alot of line however we sell with 150yd 250lbs dyneema braid .
We have sold quite a few to sydney siders who chase the kings .
They are built from alloy and powdercoated black.
They sell in the shops for $500.00 but i could let you have one for $350.00 .
i can also do you a gimbal mount to fit in your rod holder .
The gimbals sell for $100.00 i could let you have one for $50.00.
I will also throw in a couple of release clips
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 13 2010, 02:53 AM
A bit of nonsense by the mob advertising them but they all do it rivial tings that mean nut ting like this wun
My Scotty2Hotty's exend out to 1500mm but never bother to extend them as there is no need mne also tilt back but find that to be a pain is the arse esp on my goats with walk out transoms.
Find it best to have a swivel base aimed out around 40 degrees & have the s/s wire run through a slider thingy thats alot easier than pulling bomb in over the transom
Not a good pic but ewe should get the idea yellow thingy is the slider tied off to goat with black cord, I just pull it when I want the bomb
http://www.fishingozstyle.info/forums/index.php?showtopic=2336
Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 13 2010, 03:02 AM
Yep I saw that post and knew you were the man to ask.
What model scotty is that you are using?
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 13 2010, 03:25 AM
These wuns
http://www.bassermillyard.com.au/ShowArticle.asp?ArticleId=151
As ewe use them more & more ewe start to develope your own thought's on how to down rig
Dont take wot peeps say as gospel alot talk utter crap caught a small handfull of fish & have become experts
Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 13 2010, 04:43 AM
I can get one for $649 delivered from the us. Is that a good price?
Can i get it a gimble mount for it to sit in a rod holder?
What is the size of the mounting? as I have limited realestate on the stern
its the SCOTTY 1106 DEPTHPOWER 60" TELE ELECTRIC W/ HOLDER SWIVEL
SKU # : Scotty_1106
cant see a price on that link as they dont sell to the public
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 13 2010, 04:49 AM
No they dont, they're the importers
Velly good plice, suppose to retail up around $1,500 over here
Also bear in mind wot you'll get is everthing complete minus the bomb in the package
Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 13 2010, 04:59 AM
Here is the link for cheap imports
http://www.jandhproducts.com/_e/dept/12-004-001/Cannon_Downriggers.htm
Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 13 2010, 05:01 AM
So how big is the mount and can i get a gimble mount for it
Posted by: Rumpus Oct 13 2010, 02:42 PM
Have bought GPS dog tracking gear from J&H a few times and they were GREAT!! Cheap and delivery was about 1 week...
Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 13 2010, 03:41 PM
Thanks Chad,
Was there any extra hidden costs in delivery etc.
Posted by: jack Oct 13 2010, 05:10 PM
I ordered my fishfinder from JandH and was quite happy with price and delivery. No issues and as long as you stay below 1000 bucks (Aus) there should not be any import duties.
You may have extra costs if there is a warranty issue though, but at half the local price you can always buy a new one :-)
Jack
Posted by: Rumpus Oct 14 2010, 12:04 AM
yea stay below $1000 to avoid import costs.....
They were great to deal with (j&h) I bought straight off their website after sending a few emails to confirm details and they were more than helpfull....
Pretty sure that the postage costs are calculated when you put your details into the website and Ya pay by CC and thats it..
Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 14 2010, 12:09 AM
cool
will just have to work out what unit I want now
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 14 2010, 12:27 AM
Went out for a fush 2day & took sum pics of the setup
Ewe wouldn't believe it I left camera back in the goat & not going back to get it
Still flesh in my memory base is around 120 mm sq
Not sure wot ewe mean by gimble mount ?????????????????????????????????
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 14 2010, 12:30 AM
will just have to work out what unit I want now
If you're gunna use it alot go electric
Else just get a wind up handle all down riggers are is a device to lower & raise bait nothing more irrellevant of wot manufacturer's try spining you
Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 14 2010, 12:36 AM
Ewe wouldn't believe it I left camera back in the goat & not going back to get it
Still flesh in my memory base is around 120 mm sq
Not sure wot ewe mean by gimble mount ?????????????????????????????????
The gimble mount is a mount for the downrigger to sit on that slides into a rod holder
makes it easy to move around the boat and takes up less room when you dont have room for a standard mount
Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 14 2010, 12:42 AM
Well you took the effort to take some pics for me
Maybe I will get lucky and you will post them up for me
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 14 2010, 12:46 AM
Ewe mean these dooberlacky's
http://www.bassermillyard.com.au/ShowArticle.asp?ArticleId=148
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I dont use them john, welded in 12mm alloy bases into goats to accomidate riggers
Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 14 2010, 12:50 AM
Thats the one
I would have to plastic weld them lol
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 14 2010, 12:57 AM
Maybe I will get lucky and you will post them up for me
If ewe go to the 5 meter build thread below Post #39
You'll see them mounted on goat
http://www.fishingozstyle.info/forums/index.php?showtopic=1805&st=20&start=20
Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 14 2010, 02:26 AM
Do you have any other pics
It looks like a weapon from the rear
Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 14 2010, 02:29 AM
They were great to deal with (j&h) I bought straight off their website after sending a few emails to confirm details and they were more than helpfull....
Pretty sure that the postage costs are calculated when you put your details into the website and Ya pay by CC and thats it..
Is the postage cost included when trying to stay under a grand to avoid the import costs
Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 14 2010, 04:50 PM
Rang customs, there is a tax of 10/. for items purchased O.S this does not include the freight costs.
Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 14 2010, 04:51 PM
Sir Jumpy,
How high does the boom arm sit above the gunnel?
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 14 2010, 10:26 PM
Quite high easy to get 2 chookens & a duck under there
Went & washed the goat 2day & grabbed camera, pic below should give ewe a goodarua idea how high it sits
Bear in mind i'm pretty sure the non electric model dosen't sit this high
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Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 14 2010, 11:30 PM
Looks like it should be tall enofgh to clear the hand rails that come off the gunnels and down to the pod.
I will go electric I think but I cant decide if I go all out with a Cannon or save a few bucks and get a Scotty?
After reading a few forums they said some of them have had problems with the bottom trackin system of the cannons.
Thats a much better pic, thanks for posting.
Are you running wire cable? Does it hum much?
Whats the red button for
And lastly does it count off the depth in ft or meters?
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 14 2010, 11:55 PM
No probs clearing handrails easy 6 - 7 inch's clearance
See if I can dispell sum of the bullashitta peeps go on about
I see alot of goats in the bay downrigging & the bulk are using cannons personally I think it's because they're cheaper not any better & peeps tend to rave on cause they own sum ting.
Cant compare cause I've only used the Scotty2Hotty's & so do my mates & I've heard no complaints from any of them.
I get well looked after with gear & when I asked how many of the scottys come back for repairs I was was told zero & I believe that cause I've never seen any 2nd hand units there.
Like I said in an early reply, not needed & a waste of time, just set the depth via count meter & be mindfull of the angle of line out the back depending on troll speed.
Quicker the speed the higher the bomb will rise to the surface, sitting on say 1 knot of speed bomb will be directly behind the transom & your sounder will record it on the screen so when ewe see it dont get a
& confuse readind as fush.Yep running wire not dacron & it's bullshit about the huming I've never had that prob, also read peeps whinging about the s/s wire on the scotty's rusting up, that's another wank.
It does stain but only due to contaminants on the wire not the wire actually rusting
2b honest I have no idea
I'll have to look next time out
Being Amellican it's in feet, yanks are slow converting to metric
You'll no doubt ask alot more Q's when ewe get wun may even pin a thread on do, dont's & tips on how to downrigg
Posted by: quintrex101 Oct 15 2010, 01:11 AM
I want to get a downrigger as well, these look alright for the money ? Don't want to spend more then $500 ..
http://www.jandhproducts.com/_e/Big_Jon_Downriggers/product/Big_Jon_Captains_Pack_OHC/Big_Jon_Captain_s_Pak_Manual_Siderigger.htm
Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 15 2010, 01:34 AM
looks good, I looked at them as I liked the name lol
prob catch more fishies than a u beaut electric job.
So what colour you going to get
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 15 2010, 01:43 AM
Gather Ti Ying a string to a rock didn't work 4 U DanuSun
Posted by: quintrex101 Oct 15 2010, 02:09 AM
Nah Jumpy want to get some Girly Fishies
Silver mate, the gold one looks quite ugly imo.
Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 15 2010, 02:47 AM
check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM8HSZB7tvk
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 15 2010, 03:10 AM
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm !
Me Tinks ewe have SIDE EFFECTS from taking sum of Fed's Shinny Head Tablets else ewe would've gone the gold wun
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 15 2010, 03:35 AM
Kungys aka Girly fush in all honesty have 2b wun of the easiest species to ketch
Many ways/methods of fushing for them none right or wrong
The Banks [place fushed in video] has to be wun of the best kung reefs going around & you'd have to be a proper dill not to ketch the girly fush there.
We actually had a double hookup there wun year trolling 3 kg stripys around for marlins these kungs were in the 40 kg class.
Now getting back to the vid, really think all these guys trully have a wank going on about scent & just repeat the nonsense others have said, only 2 things ewe need to know about ketching squid
Clean water
type of jig to be used if in shallow water [5 meters] use a slow sinking jig else ewe'll keep ketching the bottom
7 meter or deeper go a fast sinking jig to get ewe down & keep ewe there longer in the zone.
Setup on their goat ?????????
Dont like it @ all rod is to far aft from the bomb allowing to much drop back on mainline I like to aim my rod around 30 degree's out with it starting to load up on the bomb little if any drop back
Posted by: quintrex101 Oct 15 2010, 03:52 AM
Yeah that did look werid, looks like he had no idea on what he was doing.
Posted by: Fed Oct 15 2010, 01:36 PM
What about a REAL HEAVY ROCK on a string?
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 15 2010, 03:50 PM
Hey Spud !
Wot sized balls du ewe use when downrigging your carrot to ketch them Rabbits ???
Posted by: Bees Knees Oct 15 2010, 04:49 PM
My 2 bobs worth...
I have a Scotty 1050.. No frills and does the job perfectly. I can see the bomb on my sounder, but i just switched the sounder back to feet to stop my confusion. It has wire that is fine, but it has hummed twice when i was out.. Dont know why it only does it sometimes, but it does. But a King took our little squidy mid hum so i dont care about it .. hahaha
I dont use the rod holder that comes with it, I use the one on the boat, but it is loaded at all times with no slack..
Also, mine is installed with the arm pointed out to the side, not out the back near the motor. I have enough problems with tangles without having another one (Dont touch that one Jumpy)
Regarding squid; My catch rate is improving each trip out, but Jumpy has this seriously sussed... I feel sometimes people make it harder than it has to be at times... No need for a $30 jig, if you find the school...
Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 15 2010, 06:44 PM
Thanks bees
Jumpy should make his own video on squiding to catch girly fish, as long as he doesnt wear his mankini, it would sell like hot cakes.
Wish we had more kingys down this way, they are so hard to find and when we do they are on its only the rats.
Now I have bite the bullet & feeling very broke. I hope we can find them in deeper water.
It was such a hard desion as no one I know has a downrigger in batemans bay, come to think of it I havent seen any at the ramp either. Had the same problem when I bought my Electric motor, now everyone has one. Now im alittle dissapointed I didnt get co- pilot.
So with that in mind I went for the Cannon Mag 20 and cannonlink. Shoped around and was able to save heaps. Got it at half price.
Now I await nervously until it arives.
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 15 2010, 10:24 PM
I have a Scotty 1050.. No frills and does the job perfectly. I can see the bomb on my sounder, but i just switched the sounder back to feet to stop my confusion. It has wire that is fine, but it has hummed twice when i was out.. Dont know why it only does it sometimes, but it does. But a King took our little squidy mid hum
so i dont care about it .. hahahaStill haven't heard mine hum, maybe it's the way I setup opposed to others or a GooDarus logical explanation is it's simply wind would explain why you've only heard it a couple of times DF
Yeah really think there's alot of wanker experts going around in regards to squidding esp with sum of the comments I read not much I can do but to
All self confessed experts who prob only fish for them wunce in a blue moon, I've allways been able to ketch squid but have to admit last 12 months I've put in alot of time & effort chasing them so have a pretty goodarus idea how to get them.
No different to fush there's times they shut down & this from my observation occurs when water is dirty, they're still there & eager to feed but unless your jig lands on top of them ewe'll miss out.
Think I freaked latest member out danch777 when I took him out for an hr or so chasing the swiperly wittle buggers even have a song 4 Danny Boy
Oh Danny boy, the SQUID, the SQUID are ZOTTING
From ear to ear, and down the MINI ME side
The summer's gone, and all the KUNGS are biting
'Tis you, 'tis you must go and I must hide.
Oh Danny boy, the SQUID, the SQUID are ZOTTING
John there's nut ting hard about it I just get a laugh looking @ vids like the wun ewe posted peeps make it look to hard no matter wot I fush for I keep it simple these guys complicate things esp when they start with all that tech nonsense bullshit.
I do have camera mounts on the goats & just operate vid camera with remote control, have to admit I haven't taken it out since a couple of years back chasing yft
Now I have bite the bullet & feeling very broke. I hope we can find them in deeper water.
JB is only a short hike from where ewe are prob woth the effort
Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 15 2010, 10:52 PM
Looks like a great location, might have to plan a trip up that way.
We plan on going to Monagaue when the kingies come on. Bar seems better than the Bay here.
Whats the ramps & bar like at JB
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 16 2010, 01:34 AM
Had the wittle goat last time down there, ramp @ Callalla was not a prob
The Potato farmer uses it & says there's a few good wabbit holes about
Posted by: Bees Knees Oct 16 2010, 02:16 AM
Now I have bite the bullet & feeling very broke. I hope we can find them in deeper water.
I dont know your areas, but they are everywhere up here. Just get a few locations under your belt and frequent them all during your session. Once you get everything set up, you will see them on your sounder around the bait schools and most times know when your going to get a hit.
I'm learning still, but i downrigged where i get my livies (inside), cause the seas were crap and got them there... I thought I was wasting my time
I even get squid there now as well.. Makes sense 
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 16 2010, 03:47 AM
Fibber !
Ewe told me all ewe do is follow the DUCKS
Posted by: Bees Knees Oct 16 2010, 04:58 AM
Somedays even the ducks tell the stories...
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 16 2010, 05:10 PM
Had a look @ it yesturday tis a pivot lever which allows you to lock in the rigger in an upright position
Velly usefull if ewe want to shoot ducks flying overhead
Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 16 2010, 06:15 PM
Hmm follow the ducks? Wonder what would happen if I followed the Swans.
That button could be handy if you wanted to lock the boom arm out of the way. Do you take your down rigger off when not in use?
I was reading the manual on the cannon downrigger about Positive Ion Control.
All metal parts, including the hull if metal, motor, thru hull fittings must be connected using a bonding wire. The zinc anodes placed on your hull, propeller etc protect the metal from natural corrosion that occurs when metals of different types that are physical or electrically connected and immersed in sea water. If your boat and zincs are set up correctly, the voltage on the stainless downrigger wire should be positive when submerged.
Commercial fisherman know that fish, especially certain species, are attracted to positive charge and repelled by negative charges.
So how would I check that, anodes appear fine and whats this about a bonding wire? Is that just an earth to the battery, what if i run more than one battery systems like a 12 and 24 volt system.
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 17 2010, 02:03 AM
Evlly now then i get 2 read stupid claims made by idiots hu have nothing better to du than spread stupidity
They'll du anything in a bid to sell sumting
Surprised no wun has suggested rubbing scent on bombs to attract more girly fish to the boat
John your goat is plastic only place it earth's out anywhere is through the motor's earth straps
PAy no attention to thse utterly stupid claims about enticing fish using electoticity
Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 17 2010, 02:59 AM
sort of the answer i was expecting.
I asked an electrician friend and he was scratching his head too.
Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 17 2010, 11:17 PM
Found a download for my Cannon mag20 downrigger
And found some more info on
The Short Stop system is composed of three
critical components: the electronic unit, the reel set
screw, and the trolling weight insulator.
While the downrigger cable is in the water, there
is a minute electrical current that flows between the
cable and the grounded metal boat components in
the water. When the cable clears the water, this
current flow will stop. The Short Stop system senses
this interruption and turns off the motor. The trolling
weight insulator is used to break the cable contact to
the water while the weight is still in the water. The
reel set screw allows the circuit path to be made
through the structure of the downrigger.
But wait there is more hope the pic is clear enofgh.
Voltage on Your Boat
A voltmeter with a scale of zero to one volt will
measure the natural electrolysis. Place the ground
lead of the meter on the motor or the battery
ground. Place the positive lead on the stainless
steel downrigger cable while it is in the water. The
downrigger must be unplugged. The voltage you
measure on the volt meter is your boat’s natural
electrolysis voltage. Use the same set up to
measure the PIC voltage; just plug in the Mag 20
DT and adjust the PIC knob to the voltage
desired.
Using Positive Ion Control
Positive Ion Control is very effective when
trolling. The zone of attraction created at the
downrigger wire will attract the fish. It is best to
use a short drop back between the downrigger
release and the lure. Drop backs of 10 to 20 ft. are
typical. A drop back of 50 to 100 ft. will entirely
negate the effects of the PIC circuit. Fishing
depths greater than 125 ft. may require a slightly
higher PIC voltage. If you return to shallow water
fishing remember to turn the PIC voltage down
again.
The correct PIC setting for your best fishing
advantage varies, depending on fish type and
location. For example, the proper setting for Puget
Sound Steelhead may not be effective for Great
Lakes Steelhead. To fully benefit from PIC
technology, it is important that you experiment
with the PIC setting to find the proper voltage for
the gamefish in your area. For more information
on this subject, refer to “Secrets of Fishing with
Electricity” by Ollie Rode.
Somehow I dont think it work as good as this video,
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=46f_1237671541
and some of it is probably dribble but it seems important for the auto stop feature.
Jumpas you would have a electric current on your downrigger wire i would think. May not be ajustable but would be intresting to measure it with a vault meter.
Posted by: Rumpus Oct 17 2010, 11:29 PM
Closest ramp for you would be either murrays beach or huskison (Wollamia) .. Both are good ramps, easy for your boat anyway.. murrays, make sure ya lock the car.. its prob not as bad now but years ago used to be a prob with theives but now it costs $10 to use and the cops patrol it fairly regularly..
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&biw=1058&bih=568&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=jervis+bay+boat+ramps&fb=1&gl=au&hq=boat+ramps&hnear=Jervis+Bay+ACT&ei=E_W7TLLSGIKmcO3Z2KsG&sa=X&oi=local_group&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CCAQtgMwAA
Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 18 2010, 02:30 AM
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&biw=1058&bih=568&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=jervis+bay+boat+ramps&fb=1&gl=au&hq=boat+ramps&hnear=Jervis+Bay+ACT&ei=E_W7TLLSGIKmcO3Z2KsG&sa=X&oi=local_group&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CCAQtgMwAA
Looks good,
Maybe next time your heading that way Give a call and I might come and follow you out there.
Im a woose when it comes to new bars.
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 18 2010, 02:41 AM
Sir Reel
Send those people @ connon a email telling them they'd make alot more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ selling their bullshit to Arabia.
@ least the arabs can put it to ggod use fertilising the sararah dessert
Only time a circuit is made on an eletric downrigger is when ewe push the butto to retrieve bomb
So where do these guys dig up this crap ?????????????????
Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 18 2010, 04:01 AM
So when you come down next, bring you volt meter & we will check it out.
Then we can have them for false advertising.
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 18 2010, 04:53 AM
Like I said john they're talking utter bullshit
Current can only flow when + & - run through a circuit & that will only happen when the circuit is activated via the switch button & ewe only engage that button when you're retrieving the bomb.
Your goat being plastic & glass boats are an insulator to the water unlike Alloy goats
BUT all boats have their donks in the water & all donks have earth straps which in turn do relay current back into the water cant be helped
Posted by: Fed Oct 18 2010, 01:36 PM
Jumpy's running his PIC on a full 12 Volts, his engine anodes only last a year and then his skegs take over.
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 18 2010, 09:21 PM
Yes Fed & once a year I get to look @ my Shinus Headarus both of them
Posted by: Rumpus Oct 18 2010, 10:28 PM
No bars in JB mate... Huskison there is a small one but nothing like baitmans as its very protected.. Murrys beach just launch and go, mst of jb is fairly deep.. Only a few reefs on the edges (plantation point, Huskison, Callala and long beach but they very obvious.. rest of bay is sweet!
Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 19 2010, 01:29 AM
Only once a year
must b along time between drinks
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 19 2010, 04:21 AM
Unlike Sum
I get good milage
Posted by: Fed Oct 19 2010, 10:32 PM
Is it even legal for Jumpy to electrocute fish, I think not.
Aspro Yamahahas
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 20 2010, 12:20 AM
Hmmmmmmmmmmm !
It's evident ewe spent the day polishing your Hed , Fed
Bright Sparks are flying evllywhere
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 26 2010, 01:33 AM
We plan on going to Monagaue when the kingies come on. Bar seems better than the Bay here.
Whats the ramps & bar like at JB
Was nearly down there last Saturday
A mate who lives down the gong way rang late flyday apparantly there's sum big girly fush on the Banks @ present
Quick looky @ seabreeze was all thumbs up
I'd been out fushing last fliday & was pretty stuffed & didn't relish the idea of an early start so said no
Posted by: Sir Reel Oct 26 2010, 12:26 PM
gr8 to hear there on,
looking forward to having my arms stretched
shame i have to work this weekend
Aparently it pissed down there most of last weekend
and more rain due this weekend too
always crapy weather when the kings come on
Posted by: Fed Oct 26 2010, 11:19 PM
is a minute electrical current that flows between the
cable and the grounded metal boat components in
the water. When the cable clears the water, this
current flow will stop. The Short Stop system senses
this interruption and turns off the motor.
weight insulator is used to break the cable contact to
the water while the weight is still in the water. The
reel set screw allows the circuit path to be made
through the structure of the downrigger.
See that Jumpy?
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 26 2010, 11:44 PM
So wot ?????
Tell me this where is the current cuming from ?????
Pay attention next time ewe ninkompoopy, only time current can flow to the downrigger unit is when ewe push the retrive button
So where the hell are ewe finding this so called current ??????????????
Just like I told ewe Wi Yu No Risten
Posted by: Fed Oct 26 2010, 11:49 PM
It comes from the Positive Ion Control Voltage, everyone knows that.
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 27 2010, 12:00 AM
For a bloke hu made his living being an ElectoPatricia ewe dont know much du Yu
Do ewe agree the switch/button on the rigger is insulated ???
If so how does the current pass through that switch & make it's way to the rigger itself if the contactors in the switch/button are not engaged ??????????
Posted by: Fed Oct 27 2010, 12:07 AM
It's in the PIC Mate!
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 27 2010, 12:24 AM
Fed Fed Fed
You're clasping @ straws @ least Bees got to grab sum Pt Jackson Clasps
Pic shows conection back to your sounder data in, data out
If ewe'd been following the thread ewe'd have known we discussed not using the sounder as a plug in source for depth measurement
Answer my Q where is the current comming from ???
Also bear in mind Sir Reel has wun of those goats made from plastic similar to that of a wheely bin
Posted by: Fed Oct 27 2010, 02:03 AM
It's in the PIC you goose, PIC = Positive Ion Control.
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Oct 27 2010, 02:04 PM
So Seys the man with the SHINNY EGG 
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Nov 4 2010, 12:02 AM
Hey Sir Reel
Was @ the club last night & they had CreamOfSumOldGuy from sum place called the downrigger shop giving a demo & talk on downrigging & he was pushing the cannon.
Well I did well to keep my north & south shut but a few of us were up the back having a GooDarus
B4 I go any further I'll point out wun ting, there's many ways of ketching fishys & there's right or wrong way as long as ewe're succeeding.
BUT I just couldn't stop laughing all night @ the comments this guy was making Arty fron fish theorapy kept looking @ us & came over to see what we were laughing @
Personally just my opinion I dont like the cannon just a manual model on show & I did well not to ask about that PIC = Positive Ion Control thingy on their electric models esp when this guy kept narking on how dacron is better than wire cable, last I heard dacron wont transfer electricity so it cant power up & turn the fishys into a feeding fiasco
Then he started ramping on about the leather jackets taking jigs & biting anything they can get their teeth into, thank goodness he's recomending dacron cause leather jackets surely cant bite that stuff off
I was in stich's by the end of the night esp when he said hooking up a live squiddy was velly complicated & it was much easier to bridal up a yakka
Posted by: Sir Reel Nov 4 2010, 12:44 AM
Was @ the club last night & they had CreamOfSumOldGuy from sum place called the downrigger shop giving a demo & talk on downrigging & he was pushing the cannon.
Should of asked him apout the PIC and will it work in a plastic boat.
How much was he asking for the manual downrigger, prob as much as a electric one from the states.
I wont hold that against you.
The reason for this model is I can connect it to my fishfinder and make adjustment to the downrigger from the helm.
Will still need to adjust the reel to take up slack line though.
Did this fella have any idea what he was talking bout
Hope those Leather jacket dont eat my bomb lol.
I got mine last week and fitted over the weekend. If this rain ever stops I might get to test it out.
Have you tried trawling lures down deep and what style of lure worked for you?
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Nov 4 2010, 01:32 AM
Really wasn't interested besides I was to busy laughing all night was in wun of my hysterical moods my ribs were hurting
The reason for this model is I can connect it to my fishfinder and make adjustment to the downrigger from the helm.
Like I said tis just my personal view, been using the Scotty2Hottys & prob a wee bit bias towards them
Hope those Leather jacket dont eat my bomb lol.
He started going on about fushng back in the 70's & he must not have been that good cause he failed to decribe how good it really was back then or he didn't get out very often to really know wot it was all about back then.
Mr Shinny Head knows wot it was all about I used to fush on his boat back then
Prob with guys like CreamOfSumOldGuy they're here 4 only wun reason
TO SELL THEIR PRODUCTS
That's fine if they keep it fair dinkum but they do alot of bullashitta & peeps hu dont know any better start spreading that same bullashitta & that's wot pee's me off.
He was the guy hu gave Al McLashan that dooberlacky line counter on that show they got the big eye tuna tis same dooberlacky line counter they use on the canon rigger prob the reason they recomend dacron cause wire would chew out the counter.
On the Scotty2Hottys counter works off a gear if i'm corect built into the spool
Your cannon will just fine alot of peeps rave about them, I'm not bagging the unit itself just sum of the bullashitta i've heard
Just a wee bit back when I was using both Scotty2Hottys I'd run a squid on wun & a BIG plastic on the other think only wun hit on the plastic but really putting a live/fresh squid in front of a girly fish is like offering chocolate to a choco holic cant resist & will take even if not feeding.
Ewe wont get that same success using live yakka's
Posted by: Bees Knees Nov 4 2010, 10:58 AM
Im 1 for 1 on the plastics downrigged. Only did it cause I only caught 1 squid in 2hrs and it got hit
so it works. (only a rat though) Im enjoying this thread for a couple of reasons...
1. Im not an experienced fisho, but try and learn everytime i fish.
2. Downrigging gives me a chance to fish properly... I procure my own bait...explore fishy spots that hold bait... And most times get a hit...
Anyone that can catch bait will have success i believe...
Jumpy, you don't suffer fools lightly mate, but let that bloke sell his spool bud, he has kids to feed!!
Sir Reel, after your first trip, comeback and re-read the thread.. Jumpy has given some great advice IMO... Dont listen to the hype
Have a read of this blokes site. http://www.estuaryfishingcharters.com.au/ (remove the link if you have to Jumpus) Between his and Jumpy's advise.. You will smash it 
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Nov 4 2010, 02:58 PM
I tink there's a time for lures & a different time for live baits realistically ewe cant or shouldn't do both @ he same time.
1stly ewe really should be aware of the area ewe are fushing if ewe know the fish are there then live bit is definately the go with squid as a preference.
With live bait you're trolling @ very low speed which realistically makes it impossible to pull lures big SP's are the exception, wot ewe look for is large schools of baitfush & ewe work them may lose school after only traveling 20 meters no probs just turn the boat around & find them again wot ewe are trying to do is just hover over them.
If kungs are about they'll come to the baitfishys.
If ewe aim to troll lures 4get about your downrigger it'll be a hinderence more thn an asset with lures like the deeper diving bombers F12's F18's they'll still get down to the depth range or close enough as to where ewe would've had the bomb set difference is ewe can know run a good spread of 3 - 4 lures & they'll allow ewe to increase boat speed which in turn allows ewe to cover alot more area in search of the girlys.
Personaaly i can can only cop a few hrs of girly fushing get bored after that even if they're thick get more of a kick ketching the squiddy's 2b be honest
I can sit behind the wheel all day pulling skirted lures chasing gamefish & dont mind that @ all but i dot war high heels doing that & am alot more comfortable
Posted by: Sir Reel Nov 4 2010, 10:36 PM
Hey Bees I tried that site but didnt see anything helpful
Does the forum work as it says
Please come back later !
If I need to regester, how do i do it?
Posted by: Sir Reel Nov 4 2010, 11:17 PM
Catching squid is a bit hit and miss for me. The water coming out of the river always seems to make the water murkey, when we do get them they are huge. I have some areas outside of the heads but then the wind and swell generally mucks it up. I know fresh is way better than frozzen. There are some squid you can buy in a blue and white box, its called Californian squid. The kings love strips & whole pieces of that. Will probaby take some as back up.
Whats those F12's F18's you talk about. Got a picy or link?
I have some rapalas that dive deep & a big blade lure, some sps with long tails & some skirted lures I might give a go. Heard there are som bonitos about.
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Nov 5 2010, 01:57 AM
I dont have any probs ketching kungs on frozen squid on days squiddy's are thick I stock up & freeze them in individual bags thaw out as I need need if live wuns get ellusive to ketch.
Have even caught up to 3 kungs on wun squid last wun got nailed just on the squids hook previous girly must've liked Head
Smaller squid have started arriving allready in close, you'll start to notice a decline of the bigger squids as time goes by
http://www.bassermillyard.com.au/ShowArticle.asp?ArticleId=107
Rapalla's will work just fine, Bombers are just a different brand
Posted by: Bees Knees Nov 5 2010, 02:02 PM
Does the forum work as it says
If I need to regester, how do i do it?
No need to register... His site is as free as Oz's
http://www.estuaryfishingcharters.com.au/downriggers_techniques.htm
There are tabs on the main page... (left hand side)
Posted by: Fed Nov 5 2010, 02:15 PM
The guestbook is deactivated
Please come back later !
Posted by: Bees Knees Nov 5 2010, 11:05 PM
I dont want to come around and click on the tabs for you boys... 1. left hand side of page. 2. click downrigger club. 3. feel free to read at your own risk.
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Nov 5 2010, 11:21 PM
Please come back later !
Pete does not want ewe there Fed & gave ewe the hint
Posted by: Sir Reel Nov 6 2010, 12:48 AM
cool thanks Beez
Will def give it a read.
Bit brain dead with an early start this morning
Had a play with the downrigger
Trawled up Salmon, Tailor & Bonito
none of which were on the downrigger
still need some practice to master the controls on that one
Water temp was only 15.5 deg
still a while till the kings come
Posted by: Bees Knees Nov 6 2010, 01:00 AM
Trawled up Salmon, Tailor & Bonito
none of which were on the downrigger
All about finding the bait balls on the sounder mate.. A few big arches around them and ..Whacko..
Posted by: Fed Nov 6 2010, 01:31 PM
Welcome To The Downriggers Club
Welcome to The Downriggers Club any I hope you will join our new fishing club.
It has taken quite a bit of planning, many, many phone calls and emails but the groundwork has been done and now everyone can enjoy the results over the coming years.
We are going to organise downrigging competitions in the coming months and these comps will be held in Pittwater and Broken Bay. Other areas will become involved in the near future including offshore.
All you have to do to enter or join our club is to contact us via our booking page. In the comments section, provide us with your postal address, contact details and email address and we will join you up.
The idea of this club is not to only run competitions but to provide you all with a website that is full of information on products, locations, tips and formulas to catch fish. I will endeavor to put up new product information for you all once a month at least.
I must stress that this club is aimed at all friendly people that love to have a great time and freely share information. Our competitions are aimed at having fun and getting out on the water not necessarily catching the most or biggest fish.
Classes of competitions are yet to be confirmed but all the usual – Largest Fish – Mystery Species- Lucky Size and – Angler Of The Year (most species not biggest fish) and finally Clubman Of The Year. This last category is for those wonderful people that spend more time organizing and helping people than they get to fish.
Other benefits.
If you are a club member and join us for a charter you will get to fish for up to an extra 2 hours (weekdays only) just because you are a club member.
We are talking with Flybridge Performance Fishing Tackle (importers of Walker Products) and they are willing to support our club and our members. The benefits are being talked over and shortly we may be able to announce a deal regarding their fine, robust, inexpensive equipment.
If you are going to buy a downrigger talk to me first and we can organise so your local tackle shop can supply you with their wonderful products at a fraction of their competitors. Buy Walker Downriggers and you wont be disappointed.
I hope you enjoy the articles and upcoming stories.
Best Wishes.
Peter Le Blang
Well there goes another 15 minutes of life I'll never get back, I put you in my ignore box Bees.
Posted by: Sir Reel Nov 6 2010, 05:27 PM
fed
did u click here, some advice on different species
Posted by: Sir Reel Nov 7 2010, 12:13 AM
something i read on that site that makes sence
trawl with the current not against it.
All the fish caught were when travilling with the current
would you drown a squid going against the current as he suggests
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Nov 7 2010, 12:27 AM
Now ewe know how I feel have been trying to hide from him 4 ages
Plick ling ling me this morn 2 go fushing, I looked out the window & the sky's were black as
Told him ewe've got to be yoking Duck Flakka it's pissing down over here in civilasation land plick then said no it's not it's fog
Turned out the Wally had the wet the bed & had the hide to wake me b4 the bloody Sun was up.
Posted by: Bees Knees Nov 7 2010, 01:48 AM
Fed, are you taking the piss out of me mate?? It's pretty simple...
Jumpy, it sounds like your grumpy about going fishing mate??? Don't worry, next time I'll let you catch the most squid mate...
(I know you will pay me back in spades for that... I have broad shoulders though).
Posted by: Bees Knees Nov 7 2010, 01:49 AM
trawl with the current not against it.
All the fish caught were when travilling with the current
would you drown a squid going against the current as he suggests
It just because fish run with the tide i guess... It's new to me..
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Nov 7 2010, 02:25 AM
(I know you will pay me back in spades for that... I have broad shoulders though).Keep dreaming about the squid
Must be your lucky day, main computor went down on me whilst I was doing true & accurate chain of events for the day & ewe were going to cop it
Hope I haven't lost the pics cause i do erase them from camera after D/L'ing them
ps] Jelly Bean just ling linged & gave me his condolences putting up with ewe 4 the day, also said he's got a new dancing partner hu doesn't step on his feet like ewe du
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Nov 7 2010, 02:37 AM
trawl with the current not against it.
All the fish caught were when travilling with the current
would you drown a squid going against the current as he suggests
Wouldn't call it gospell & dont really agree with the claim
Do agree that fish wont waste their energy swiming into a current but still gives no merit to the claim simple because the initial attraction for the fush is the boat itself [your boat is the best FAD you've got] prop wash also gets them curious after which they see the bait/lure.
Have seen species like marlin/tuna zoom in on lures up to 100 meters away port & starboard off the boat.
When this happens they have no probs directing their attention to the bait, also bear in mind we only witness surface current 5 meters below chances are there's no current @ all.
Admittingly on marlin/tuna troll days have had all the strikes going in only wun direction & 2b honest against the current
ps] squid/live bait wont drown trolling them against the current
Posted by: Sir Reel Nov 7 2010, 01:22 PM
didnt think you could drown a squid
speaking of squid, the fish i caught on the weekend had spat out a lot of baby sqidies as well as some white bait.
Cannon have another acsesory for the down rigger
its a speed and temp gage you can send down on the bomb
it also measures % of light
works on batteries and wireless transmits info back to the unit
not recamended for salt water use though
Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Nov 7 2010, 02:56 PM
Speed sensor is a total waste of time no different than those paddle types used on sounders, varying current speeds [running with & against] gives ewe inacurate speed readings unlike GPS which will allways give ewe true speed.
Temp gauge would be very nifty, if ewe've ever been down on scuba or just plain old snorkel'd temp changed are noticed right away as ewe decend
Posted by: Fed Nov 7 2010, 03:14 PM
Darn I had to take Bees out of my ignore box, I was afraid he was talking about me.
Posted by: Bees Knees Nov 7 2010, 03:24 PM
Posted by: Sir Reel Nov 7 2010, 04:06 PM
Can i embed youtube clips (php codes here)
anyway here is the link
http://store.cannondownriggers.com/products/390754/IntelliTroll_Speed-N-Temp_System
the speed and temp sensor could plug staight into the hummingbird gps fishfinder combo
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