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Posted by: Fed Apr 24 2012, 03:17 PM

Looking for a level/incline meter with remote sensor, 2"/50mm gauge and well damped?

Anyone ever seen one, Rumpus?

Posted by: nimrod Apr 24 2012, 03:39 PM

Few years ago I could have got you as many as you wanted ( spose that's just 1 ).
when I worked, had heaps of these on the shelf both single and combined within a set of 3 guages.
Try any 4x4 wreckers.
Ring all model at revesby for starters 9772 4444 tell them Frank from mitsibits sent you.






They'll probable charge you double . when you mention my name.

Posted by: Fed Apr 24 2012, 03:44 PM

So these are pretty common Frank?
I did do a little Googling but only came up with scientific type things that cost an arm & a leg.
Maybe I was searching with the wrong terms?
What would you call them in relation to 4x4s?

Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Apr 24 2012, 03:59 PM

Caravan places
They use then when levelling vans

Posted by: Fed Apr 24 2012, 04:06 PM

The remote sensor, 2"/50mm gauge and well damped is the important part.
I have an existing hole to fill and I intend putting the sensor on my outboard after calibrating it with a spirit level.

Posted by: nimrod Apr 24 2012, 04:08 PM

Tilt metre, every pajero had one and probably other types of 4x4 as well, 4x4 accessory places, big one on king georges rd beverley hills would have them.
Caravans mostly just use bubbles like in spirit levels, just to level the van, not to show you amount of angle or decline.
make sure if you buy 2nd hand, it still has plenty of fluid in it as it is very common for them to leak, they have to have 3/4 or more fluid to be any good.

Posted by: nimrod Apr 24 2012, 04:15 PM

Sorry Fed. didn't take enough notice of the " remote sensor " part.. don't know what you mean by remote sensor.
Is it a trim tilt guage you are looking for ?
I thought you wanted a " level incline guage " they are a visual thing and don't have remote sensors, sorry I miss read what you wanted.
2nd hand trim tilt guage could be obtained from Mogy marine peakhurst.
But trim/tilt guages are not dampened they are just electric, si I really don't know what it is you are looking for.

Posted by: Fed Apr 24 2012, 04:18 PM

Already got the standard T&T gauge Frank, looking for a way to measure the engine level against the water level.... horizontal.

Posted by: Fed Apr 24 2012, 04:19 PM

Mogy, Moby? Is he still there?

Posted by: Fed Apr 24 2012, 04:23 PM

I was thinking of using a water filled tube on the outside of the motor (front to back), do you see what I'm getting at?

Posted by: nimrod Apr 24 2012, 04:25 PM

Yes but he won't have a gadget you are looking for. Can't imagine you finding one of those gadgets anywhere. Not invented yet to my knowledge.
Most boat drivers know by their guage, or sound of motor, or feel of boat behavior, what their angle of motor is.

Posted by: kkw Apr 24 2012, 04:30 PM

I don't get it

Posted by: Fed Apr 24 2012, 04:37 PM

Agreed but the trouble is that T&T gauges only measure the angle in relation to the hull but the desired setting changes with the attitude of the boat so in effect a T&T gauge means nothing.

Most of the boat drivers I see wouldn't know if their arse was on fire when it came feeling their boats.

Posted by: Fed Apr 24 2012, 04:46 PM

It's easy KK, you want your motor to push the back of the boat forward, not up, not down, but forward.
The boat's planing attitude should be determined by the front to rear balance and not some goose trying to fight it with the T&T button.
How do you ensure it's pushing forward, run it with the prop shaft parallel to the water surface hence the new & improved tilt meter.

Trim in to take off & then trim out once on the plane is all bullshit, should be trimming to push the boat forwards.

Posted by: Rumpus Apr 24 2012, 05:04 PM

i dont see why it matters??? are you trying to prove jumpus wrong with somthing again?

Posted by: Fed Apr 24 2012, 06:20 PM

No mate don't let the mention of the word goose fool you, sometimes I mean other gooses instead of Jumpy.
Just something I'd like to toy with and I had a spare hole in the dash that I filled with a Faria voltmeter that is inaccurate compared to the GPS voltmeter.
Thought I'd ditch the voltmeter and put in a tilt meter but it's starting to look like an expensive exercise.
I was hoping someone would know of a 4x4 type after market 2" gauge with remote sensor but it's not looking good.

Posted by: nimrod Apr 24 2012, 11:06 PM

Generally speaking fed the motor vertually stays at the same angle to the water.
It is the boat that changes angle according to the amount of trim or tilt you put on the motor.
Exception when going slow or trailering boat.
Very hard to put it into writing, and I hope I don't get jumped on for this statement, but easier
with illistrations and model testing, which I can't do on a forum.

Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Apr 24 2012, 11:23 PM

Wots not 2 get
Fed is Vying for his masters degree as Master Gooseologist

Posted by: Fed Apr 25 2012, 12:16 AM

Consider yourself JUMPED ON!

Posted by: poly Apr 25 2012, 10:00 PM

fed this all sounds very strange, I just don't get it

Paul

Posted by: Fed Apr 25 2012, 10:11 PM

I think that ship has sailed for you Poly.

Posted by: storms72 Apr 26 2012, 04:00 AM

I use a spirit level and laser level for work fed, maybe you could attach a laser to your outboard and a spirit level to your dash- line them up and that's as close to a wireless system as you will get, I use this method when wall mounting speakers mid wall.

Posted by: Fed Apr 26 2012, 02:31 PM

That's where I started Storms, thinking of a temporary set up simply for testing purposes.
Then I thought why not make it permanent because of the potential spare hole in my dash if I remove the inaccurate voltmeter. That's now in the too hard basket, I was hoping for a 4x4 aftermarket 2" gauge & remote sensor but it doesn't look like anyone makes them.

Back to the temporary setup, I'm thinking a water gauge and joining the open ends together and half filling with coloured water (food dye).

Attach it to the motor, level the motor with a spirit level at the vent plate and mark the water level on the tube.

I want to be able to see it from the front of the boat so I don't change the planing attitude by having to walk down the back to see it otherwise I'd just glue a little spirit level on top of the motor then calibrate it to the vent plate.

After I've proved it I'll rent it to Jumpy so he can stop his boats leaning, plowing & porpoising all over the Bay, it must be embarrassing the hell out of him.

Posted by: nimrod Apr 26 2012, 07:40 PM

Fed. except in displacement of the hull where full hull is in water, the motor levels itself, the thrust of the prop ensures it levels out, it is the boat that changes it's amount of levelness.
When displacing the hull your idea is no different then a trim/tilt guage.
Sure you CAN put different levels on the motor towards the water BUT doing this and watching a guage while doing it would just be frustrating and you wouldn't be consentration on where you were heading if you were playing around with a guage to try and keep the motor level with the water.
Not practical.

Posted by: Fed Apr 27 2012, 03:33 PM

No mate the motor will push the back of the boat either up or down.


No mate the standard trim gauge tells you the angle between the boat & the motor where as I'm talking about the angle between the motor & the water surface.


I'm a multitasker.


Far more practical than a standard trim gauge where there is no reference point for the best setting.

Have you ever driven a cat & played around with the motor trim settings?

Posted by: nimrod Apr 27 2012, 05:39 PM

OK Fed have it your way.

Posted by: poly Apr 27 2012, 09:19 PM

sorry mate i just don't get it,

after all the years you have been driving boats, I think you should know when the boat is trimmed properly.

Paul

Posted by: Fed Apr 28 2012, 02:08 AM

I believe I do know Poly but the question is, do we really know?

Put a trim question on any outside idiot forum and 100s of googleboys will jump in saying you don't need any gauges because you do it by feel, they wouldn't feel if their arse was on fire.

I want to put it to the test and compare actual readings with how I feel it should be trimmed.

Posted by: storms72 Apr 29 2012, 03:52 AM

Ok fed so by correctly trimming your engine you would get max speed-why not get out on the georges with a gps and have a bit of fiddle to see what trim gives you highest speed, only trouble with this is I expect varying conditions would require different trim to account for wind/swell conditions taking safety/comfort at speed into consideration.

Posted by: Fed Apr 29 2012, 04:55 PM

It's like herding cats Storms that's why I say you need a starting point and the only reference I can see is start with the vent plate parallel to the water surface.

Let's say you have a brand new rig, where do you set your trim tab and where do you set your motor trim?

Posted by: storms72 May 2 2012, 11:28 PM

trim tab should be correctly set before you take posession and when on water test correct trim for flat water run should be shown-thats how it was done a few years ago when I worked in a boat yard, like I said GPS is the only way to attain highest speed which would indicate correct trim-many variables come into it FED-load on board, position of load on board, water conditions, etc.........

I'd be interested in knowing if anyone has played around with their trim tab to the extent where a mm or two actually makes a difference....Yamaha sends them out at what they say is correct position.

Posted by: Rumpus May 3 2012, 01:30 AM

you people all need to go fishing...

Posted by: Fed May 3 2012, 05:31 PM

Bugger off Rumpus, go and find me a trimomatic 2" gauge & sender.
Have you been out at all mate?

There can't a correct position until a water test is done with normal loads and preferred cruising speed Storms, maybe Yamaha sort of pick an average position.

I doubt 1 or 2 mm would make a noticeable difference but much more than that sure does.

Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus May 3 2012, 08:30 PM

You're a wanker Fed

Posted by: Fed May 3 2012, 11:52 PM

Who let you out?
Been crook mate?

Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus May 4 2012, 02:35 AM

Yep just getting over it have even been doing something you know very little about

It's called fishing & i haven't lost my touch

Posted by: Fed May 4 2012, 04:02 PM

I'd know a lot more about fishing if you would help me but.... no.
Mingy bastard, glad you're feeling better.

Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus May 4 2012, 08:19 PM

Think well enough strpped little goat down last couple of days
Looked @ it today thought duck fluck it not going to bother quicker to build a new wun

Now all i need to find is a Level/incline Meter so people can call me a goose

Posted by: storms72 May 4 2012, 09:54 PM

Thought I mentioned water test, we used to use gps onboard with boat buyer so correct trim could be set with the idea being to maximise cruising speed.

Went fishing last week rum, caught a few bass heres one of the better ones, getting late in the season so the 20+ fish a session has slowed a little as has the average size.

Water has been consistently brown for the last 4 months which has made it harder than previous seasons...I'm looking forward to the colder months, early starts and some fat big resident bass.

Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus May 4 2012, 10:46 PM

You're bloody hopeless

Had ewe had one of those Level/incline Meters ewe would've caught alot more wittle fishy's

It's well documented fact

Posted by: Fed May 4 2012, 11:11 PM

Engine trim or trim tab trim?

If engine trim how do you 'set it' when the outboard has T&T?

What if that preferred position results in the boat not steering straight or unbalanced steering effort?

You could easily have a situation were a boat is front heavy and you achieve a higher speed by driving the stern down with extra trim where a better result would be to lighten the front and use the motor solely to push the boat forward.
The opposite set of condition would also apply.

Posted by: storms72 May 8 2012, 02:52 AM

JG, you funny bugger......I use V bottles ti trim the canoe-gets a bit dodgy when I'v drank them all averything goes out of wack-tali sits deeper nose sits up then I have a pee and it gets much better

Fed, you r losing me.....trim, tilt, trim tab, weight distribution-remote level....I'm gonna join my buddy poly in the lost basket!